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Cawlin
Posts: 1,759
Registered: 2005-2-22 07:58:42
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Derasio posted:
You always notice the bad ones, sometimes the good ones fly under the radar. If they are on top of everything and have good communication skills (getting regular updates and co-ordinating without pissing people off) you may not notice how much of your wonderfully smooth running project is actually attributable to them doing a good job.
Regarding the bold - when this happens, most people just assume that them taking care of their little tiny sliver of the project is the reason.
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Jorrdan
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Registered: 2001-10-19 07:31:24
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Cawlin posted:
Derasio posted:
You always notice the bad ones, sometimes the good ones fly under the radar. If they are on top of everything and have good communication skills (getting regular updates and co-ordinating without pissing people off) you may not notice how much of your wonderfully smooth running project is actually attributable to them doing a good job.
Regarding the bold - when this happens, most people just assume that them taking care of their little tiny sliver of the project is the reason.
Very true. I have known some truly great project managers.
Where I work now, that title (and job) is somewhat blended with the product manager.
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Abaddon_Ambrosius
Title: Retired Theurgist TL
Posts: 1,674
Registered: 2001-12-21 09:51:39
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Jorrdan posted:
Where I work now, that title (and job) is somewhat blended with the product manager.
Usually a mistake. It's possible for a project manager to be TOO deep into the technical or business knowledge of the project. Usually a product manager can't keep all that properly prioritized and 'separated' where necessary. There are a few, but they're rare.
Now, an overall ops manager, regularly briefed in strategy, who once managed 1 or 2 functions, who is also holding the project manager hat? That is a formidable and often wonderful thing.
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Cawlin
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Abaddon_Ambrosius posted:
Jorrdan posted:
Where I work now, that title (and job) is somewhat blended with the product manager.
Usually a mistake. It's possible for a project manager to be TOO deep into the technical or business knowledge of the project. Usually a product manager can't keep all that properly prioritized and 'separated' where necessary. There are a few, but they're rare.
Now, an overall ops manager, regularly briefed in strategy, who once managed 1 or 2 functions, who is also holding the project manager hat? That is a formidable and often wonderful thing.
I don't have any experience with product managers so I can't speak directly to that. However, I have seen project managers stumble when they've been lifted right out of the ranks of lead developer for massive systems to the role of project manager... for example, a company I used to work for was heavily vested in a global clinical data management system. There were ongoing projects with it all the time - as is warranted for a system of that size.
One of the lead developers for a portion of the system switched jobs to become a project manager and instantly Peter Principled himself because he became unable to handle projects where his portion of the system was involved by virtue of the fact that he was unable to let the devs just do their jobs and he was unable to handle projects relating to other parts of the system because he could not stop treating them all like his own former area of specialization with the system.
This guy would have probably been just fine if they'd put him on project management for a totally different system. Eventually he left the company and went back to being a developer for another company using a similar system...
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Sin_of_Onin
Posts: 1,307
Registered: 2005-6-29 08:21:12
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The key to any good project manager is having someone that understands the scope of the project. Too many are so detached from the project that it is just a series of due dates and they are little more than glorrified minute takers.
I think everyone that is involved in implementations should take a basic project management class so they understand the concepts and have buy in.
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Abaddon_Ambrosius
Title: Retired Theurgist TL
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Registered: 2001-12-21 09:51:39
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Yes... as I said, I'm usually talking about BIG projects, hence BIG companies.
In that environ, it is best not to put a functional manager as the ops/project manager matrixed over the exact same project/system they came from.
The point is to lift him up to work operational work, hopefully learned from a not crappy operational manager above him in his prior role, tempered by an exposure to strategic management and priorities.
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Sin_of_Onin
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You can always tell how bad a PM is by the amount of BS jargon they use.
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Cawlin
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Sin_of_Onin posted:
You can always tell how bad a PM is by the amount of BS jargon they use.
LOL Jargon is often inherited from those managing project managers. Mid level directors usually manage PMs and they all become Six Sigma Greenbelts or whatnot...
That is not to say that jargon isn't sometimes an indicator of inanity, but I don't think it's "always" an indicator...
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__Bonk__
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Registered: 2009-7-25 03:04:52
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Date Posted:
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Ptilk posted:
I was an operations manager once.
My only task was to annoy everyone often enough that they realized that someone was actually watching them. I took a bit of sadistic glee in taking all the reports and updates I forced them to send me....and shoving them all in a file that no one ever looked in. Hell, half the time I didn't even file them, I just left them on my desk until they disappeared. I probably used them for scratch paper to jot down notes from the video game I played about 7 hours a day, every day, at work back then.
The best part was (even better than the stuff I just mentioned) I got to take credit if they did a good job, and blame them if they screwed up. Oh god that was a great effing job.
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