Tipztoe posted:
No you didn't. Why can't you simply post you would let 10 child rapists free to save your skin? Leave it at that. You can't without trying to say I'd do it too, or it's stupid or try to spin it some other way. You asked a really stupid question, and then argue the answers..lol
Some people would consider that kind of sacrifice very noble.. maybe even consider them a saint.
Cawlin posted:
I answered the question directly.
I answered the question directly.
No you didn't. Why can't you simply post you would let 10 child rapists free to save your skin? Leave it at that. You can't without trying to say I'd do it too, or it's stupid or try to spin it some other way. You asked a really stupid question, and then argue the answers..lol
Some people would consider that kind of sacrifice very noble.. maybe even consider them a saint.
It's not my fault that you can't handle the implications of your backwards thinking.
This isn't about someone sacrificing themselves for the so-called "greater good", it's about someone innocent being incarcerated and/or executed against their will in the name of what someone ELSE decided was the "greater good". Now, if I were in a situation that I could risk my life or risk injury to save 10 children, I might just decide to do so, but it would be my choice to do so or to not do so. Because you fail to understand this point, it is clear to me that you either a) don't speak/read/write English very well or b) lack a fundamental quality of humanity or c) haven't thought your absurd position through.
As for your stupid question, I will answer it again: yes - without qualification, caveat, or reservation, yes - I would not allow myself to be wrongfully imprisoned or executed, even if it meant 10 child rapists would ALSO go free. Or put differently - no, if I could stop it, I would not allow myself to be wrongfully imprisoned or executed in order to keep 10 child rapists in prison.
I will add (again) that you and everyone else would prefer to have your own "skin saved" as well. You are uncomfortable that I called your foolish position into question because I made you think about it and so you respond with the only half-witted thing you could come up with: "NO U!" - typical. If that's not a direct enough answer for you, maybe you need to go back and learn a little more English because I can't say it any more plainly than I've done here twice now.
Groucho48 posted:
So, you guys would like to give the government the power to lock up 10 folks of its choosing whenever a crime is committed, as long as it was sure one of them was guilty?
As to the argument that, if you let a child rapist go free, he will go out and rape more kids. Well, if you let the cops know they can close a case by arresting the next guy that walks by, aren't you encouraging them to not try and catch the real bad guys? Letting those bad guys commit even more crimes?
Let's not even get into the extra cost of having 10 times as many folks in prison.
So, you guys would like to give the government the power to lock up 10 folks of its choosing whenever a crime is committed, as long as it was sure one of them was guilty?
As to the argument that, if you let a child rapist go free, he will go out and rape more kids. Well, if you let the cops know they can close a case by arresting the next guy that walks by, aren't you encouraging them to not try and catch the real bad guys? Letting those bad guys commit even more crimes?
Let's not even get into the extra cost of having 10 times as many folks in prison.
You've got it totally backwards Groucho. Reread the original premise. It's a fairly basic concept of justice, morality, and the social contract that is about as old as civilization.
paulg_68 posted:
I can't bear the thought of imprisoning innocent people. I think execution is actually pretty humane. In order to suffer a person must be alive. I don't want to make people suffer.
I can't bear the thought of imprisoning innocent people. I think execution is actually pretty humane. In order to suffer a person must be alive. I don't want to make people suffer.
Neither can anyone with any humanity at all bear the thought of imprisoning innocent people. Further, I agree that execution is fairly humane compared to something like a long or even life sentence, given the state of our prison system. Most of the people who disagree with the premise do in fact want to make people suffer. They lack the empathy and humanity to understand that their vengeful, punitive outlook on life is as much a prison to them as it is to those they would imprison.
It is the very height of unenlightened thinking to miss this point and it is ironic that many of those who fancy themselves the most "enlightened" and "nuanced" thinkers find themselves foundering around this basic point.
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