As anyone who plays in the laby knows the exploiting there is rampant.

Or am I wrong, is it not exploiting at all but working as intended. It certainly appears to me as the definition of exploiting but Mythic's handling of it suggests working as intended.

What I'm talking about here is hiding in walls to escape combat, jumping into walls in order to drop out of the room to escape combat, and portal hopping pvp immune healers to keep people in combat healed.

I don't do these things as they seem like cheating to me, but many of the people I fight do, and seemingly without any fear of Mythic's CSRs.

eg..lastnight Loookquick (scout) was hiding in walls, and jumping into walls to drop down a level and escape combat. I appealed her/him/whatever it is. A short while later I was contacted by a Mythic CSR with the usual message of "being investigated". This message appeared while I was standing there watching Loookquick frantically jumping into a wall trying to drop down (sometimes it takes several seconds to do it). Clearly no action was taken, however, because Loookquick stayed in the game and kept doing it.

Now I'm not trying to call out Loookquick individually here, this is just an example, and used by probably the majority of players that I see.

What I would like to know is whether or not this is working as intended, as I take alot of deaths refusing to do these things.

If it is working as intended and in fact a game mechanic then my IRS would like it if I started doing it also. I have a hard time believing that holes in walls were "intended" to used as exits or that healers were "intended" to be able to heal fights while pvp immune but I could be wrong, it's not my game.

If these things are an exploit then why is there no enforcement? What is the reason for Mythic's apathy on this issue? I would like to hear from someone at Mythic.

It smacks of the same lesson never learned as the buffbot issue. Mythic being afraid of losing a few subs while they put their foot down not realizing the larger longer term damage to their subs of people just getting fed up with trying to play against cheating players.

I know Mythic reps read these boards, and I doubt any will chime in, but I would love a public answer on this. Make a stand one way or the other.

And please don't say ask a CSR because the answer you get seems to be as random as the CSR you get.

 

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I would class those things as blatant cheating.

Which isn't to say that any action will be taken against them.

Certain kinds of cheating seem to be tolerated while others aren't.

Mythics stance on the various kinds of cheating seems very unclear unfortunately.

That is terrian exploiting clear and simple. They have no CSR team though. It is worse in WAR trust me. Nothing worse then seeing someone flying, self-rezzing, shooting you through walls and speed hacking without any recourse.


They just don't have the manpower to really enforce this I guess.

 

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I can live with that if it is the case.

Some communication concerning the situation, considering how rampant it is, is in order though.

Even if it is nothing more than that they are aware that exploiting and cheating is becoming more of a problem and that they do currently lack the manpower to declare all out war on it, but be advised that if you do participate in these activities you do forfeit your account or at the very least are looking at a fairly long suspension if you are one of the ones picked to be an example.

Loookquick was served up on a plate to the CSR last night and no action at all that I am aware of was taken. It was basically like calling in a robbery and the cop pulls up while the guy is still in your house, the cop walks in, tells you it's being investigated, walks past the guy, gets in his car, and drives off. wtf lol

You don't need alot of manpower to put a stop to the vast majority of it, you simply have to pick a few of the worst offenders and make a public example of them. I think most people would not risk losing a high rr account over hiding in a wall. If there is no fear of punishment, however, then it's anarchy...which is what we have now..literally no fear of punishment at all.

There does have to be at least a token enforcement even if staffing prohibits them investigating every accusation.

Sticking their heads into a hole and pretending not to notice is just an insult to the honest players in the game.

Besides what kind of message does "cheaters do win" send to the younger folk playing these online games.

It's just not cool and the way Mythic is handling it is also not cool.

 

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I agree. Stay and die like a man. Jumping through wall is lame...

 

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Many moons ago when a friend and I were levelling in Coruscating Mine we sat on the side of one of the arches over the pit and AoE'ed the mobs who couldn't hit us. Got warned by the CSR, never did it again. From memory Coruscating Mines also had an exit at the bottom, a 1-pixel wide gap commonly called "the crack" which you could use to get out. Much easier than taking the normal route out. Both the crack and the bridge thing have long since been fixed.

Don't mind me, just nostalgia'ing. This kinda crap just reminds me why I quit.

Neither of those involved actions during pvp though.

I could care less about stuff like that. Others may though, and they would be within their rights to. Somewhere the line has to drawn.

What I'm on about is cheating in pvp combat.

 

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Read my VN Title!


that says it all!

 

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Yea it's lame as hell... And so many people do it. About a year ago I'd appeal anyone I saw doing it but it was obviously falling on deaf ears so I just stopped caring. I still wont do it myself tho. I don't care that much about my IRS to exploit a hole in a wall or port myself out just to escape death.

The thing that pisses me off the most are healers porting in and out healing people in combat and people using their bots to port them out when they get in trouble. Like that dbag Onslaught/Dracmere is fond of doing. But I seriously doubt anything will ever be done about it. Mythic seems to be too busy doing these BS live events where the devs have more fun than the actual players.

 

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The problem is more that Mythic in the past have prefered to fix the problem - aka the CM crack fix etc, rather than punish people that exploit it. Unfortunately the Laby has so many exploitable peices of geometry there is no way they could fix them all - especially with the low staff numbers they have now.

 

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