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andynNIN Posts: 62
Registered: 2004-9-27 21:50:26
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Rum_N_Coke posted:
Excellent rage post.
I know on Mid, I dedicate myself to removing said scum from the lab when I run around with my groups.. Generally, 4 powerless lifetaps from my lock will knock their pet out of the world... then a chamber blast on the main necro.
The real issue is the fact that the Necro is immune from the obby lightning bolts... that needs to be nerfed... Suggest you place your bug reports in, cause I have 
wait, did a warlock just call a necro 'scum'??
mirror... try and take a look me thinks.
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Windwalkr Title: Camelot Vault Staff
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I'm pretty sure most people would agree that Necros are rough on classes limited to melee damage output, as their buffed ABS is obviously pretty ridiculous, especially in combination with a Friar heal proc buff, but as was clearly shown by most every person in this thread the OPs groups had significant experience issues to say the least. ;-)
The reason that you're likely so inexperienced at fighting Necros might clue you in that they're not quite as OPd as you seem to think. If they were, there'd be more of them in general RvR and even Lab.
If you never have dealt with a WL before, a Zerker/WL duo would also easily take down an inexperienced 6 man melee team too. (As would a Bard/Eld duo, amongst MANY other. The key being your lack of experience in dealing with them.)
Or maybe for a Druid I should bring up the old Carey video, a solo Nature Druid who beat down groups of rag tags in a similar manner long before the "recent" Druid pet enhancements. (Albeit prior to the ML9 nerf as well.) I still like watching that sometimes just for fun, and to remind me that many classes --in the hands of a great player-- can do seemingly amazing things under the right circumstances.
Suck up the loss and learn how to adapt instead of whining, because Necro's have plenty of weaknesses. The absolute worst thing you can do in that case is to head to VN and base a nerf whine around it, and end up simply looking foolish by exposing your inexperience.
Let's compare the skill level required to play a WL successfully in RvR (  ) vs. a Necro:
The former can basically select a target and mash his forehead into the keyboard, while eating a sandwich with one hand and pouring a beer with the other, and still manage to easily kill 2/3rds of the classes in this game almost instantly. (Yes, I'm exaggerating a tiny bit!) While the latter class requires not only impeccable timing, but also has an exceptionally steep learning-curve to master the class' many quirks, bugs, and oddities...many of which get you killed in the most embarrassing ways imaginable. (Pet leaves tether range due to bad pathing for example.)
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DarkPCK Title: Got to go house is on fire.
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lablol
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Fanglo Title: The Orange Tree Animist
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Registered: 2004-1-3 20:09:42
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DarkPCK posted:
lablol
this.
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swinsk posted:
Hendrickson16 posted:
Something about dieing to a duo with 6 because of a necro...
Did any of your 5 friends think about shearing said necro before attempting to rape it? IMO, this is the only way to defeat necros unless you have a lot of caster dps.
I can beat rr11 necros with buff shear cloak + lifebane/DD swapping, surely a 6 man has at least 1 form of shears?
swinsk posted:
Ok, just for your information I killed this necro SOLO last night...
1v1 I killed this necro WITHOUT shears...
My shear cloak was down but I said wth I'll take him anyways, I BS2 him with dex/con debuff then proceeded to lethargy/dd/lifebane the crap out of him...
It was a very close fight I was at 7%... the shade was afk and the pet was on defensive?
regardless, he died... how do 6 noobs lose to this necro+merc? the problem isn't necros, the problem is you and your friends!
lol swinky your FULL 8 man always took over 3-4 minutes to kill my solo rr4 necro  .... now you claim you can kill a rr11 one? ROFL WAS HE AFK?
"you're the king of suck swinky"... stop trying to give advise to people... k?
the other people who posted gave you some good advise.. sounds like you did play into the duo's strengths and it cost you... play a necro in nf for a month and you'll have no problem 3v1'ing one down
in the future..
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swinsk Posts: 14
Registered: 2007-11-21 15:59:26
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angrycybersurfer posted:
lol swinky your FULL 8 man always took over 3-4 minutes to kill my solo rr4 necro  .... now you claim you can kill a rr11 one? ROFL WAS HE AFK?
"you're the king of suck swinky"... stop trying to give advise to people... k?
the other people who posted gave you some good advise.. sounds like you did play into the duo's strengths and it cost you... play a necro in nf for a month and you'll have no problem 3v1'ing one down
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He was not AFK. He LT me, a lot. I think I did land perf/cd without purge tho.
Are you mad @ something? Sounds like you are.
As for advice, ask anyone what the best option of killing a necro is... SHEAR IT FIRST! If you have a class that can shear and you are fighting a necro and you don't use it you are noob.
As for your claim about your rr4 necro, come labby I'll fight u with shears and see if it takes 3-4 mins to kill you or like 3-4 seconds...
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swinsk posted:
He was not AFK. He LT me, a lot. I think I did land perf/cd without purge tho.
Are you mad @ something? Sounds like you are.
As for advice, ask anyone what the best option of killing a necro is... SHEAR IT FIRST! If you have a class that can shear and you are fighting a necro and you don't use it you are noob.
As for your claim about your rr4 necro, come labby I'll fight u with shears and see if it takes 3-4 mins to kill you or like 3-4 seconds... 
swinky...you couldn't even manage to "solo" one of my rr2 toons in nf.... i said stop trying to give advise ... "you're the king of suck" the poster child of "what not to do"..
are you really so seriously ignorant that you think a random 3 buff shear will kill a well played necro in 3-4 seconds? rofl lol lol lol ... i remember the shammy in your grp shearing the crap outta me
.. and it still took 3-4 minutes ..
ok... just incase you didn't understand... i'll say it again .... STOP TRYING TO GIVE ADVISE....
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swinsk Posts: 14
Registered: 2007-11-21 15:59:26
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angrycybersurfer posted:
swinky...you couldn't even manage to "solo" one of my rr2 toons in nf.... i said stop trying to give advise ... "you're the king of suck" the poster child of "what not to do"..
are you really so seriously ignorant that you think a random 3 buff shear will kill a well played necro in 3-4 seconds? rofl lol lol lol ... i remember the shammy in your grp shearing the crap outta me
.. and it still took 3-4 minutes ..
ok... just incase you didn't understand... i'll say it again .... STOP TRYING TO GIVE ADVISE.... 
When you lose con buffs from shears you will get hit for 200+ by my lifebane and 250+ by my DD proc, prob around 100ish on melee, assuming I remove all... You could lose dex/qui and lose your 3 casts per QC... Or you could lose both
/clap @ staying up-to-date with the game.
I haven't played NF in over 8 months now, maybe longer.
If you are talking about when I ran SB with QQ inc then I wasn't viper spec at all. /clap @ staying alive on a necro vs. an all tank group.
Seriously, come feed my sb some rps in the labby. <3 breaking in necros..
Pre-Env patch, yea necros were impossible to beat. Now, they fairly easy to kill because of the magic damage.
Shear a necro if you want to beat him. That's best advise to killing a necro. What do you think tanks do to necros? Pop magic resist, and go to town with buff shears rofls...
Please, PLEASE log on and duel me... I'd like to make you rage hard
Haven't found a necro that consistently beats me since DD patch, pre and post DD nerf...
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swinsk posted:
When you lose con buffs from shears you will get hit for 200+ by my lifebane and 250+ by my DD proc, prob around 100ish on melee, assuming I remove all... You could lose dex/qui and lose your 3 casts per QC... Or you could lose both
/clap @ staying up-to-date with the game.
I haven't played NF in over 8 months now, maybe longer.
If you are talking about when I ran SB with QQ inc then I wasn't viper spec at all. /clap @ staying alive on a necro vs. an all tank group.
Seriously, come feed my sb some rps in the labby. <3 breaking in necros..
Pre-Env patch, yea necros were impossible to beat. Now, they fairly easy to kill because of the magic damage.
Shear a necro if you want to beat him. That's best advise to killing a necro. What do you think tanks do to necros? Pop magic resist, and go to town with buff shears rofls...
Please, PLEASE log on and duel me... I'd like to make you rage hard
Haven't found a necro that consistently beats me since DD patch, pre and post DD nerf...
wow swinky, just wow... u just can't resist opening your mouth and proving to the world.. that yes you are an idiot.. i'll spell it out one last time... i'll use "small words" so you can understand..
1) buff shear... 3 random buffs a fully buffed necro WILL have every buff possible on the pet.. to reduce the chance of losing important buffs
2) we all know you can't compete in NF.. we knew that last year... hence the title of "the king of suck"
3) QQinc sucked... if i had a decent rr merc with me when your "pro" 8 man would hit me... i woulda rolled your fg easy...
4) labby is the place where all the pretenders end up hiding to avoid real rvr... lol you're a dremlok wannabe... rofl
5) nothing changed for necro's in the last year (patches)
6) shearing a necro pet of base af, acuity and health regen...is that going to make it die? because it's the same odds as getting str/con, d/q and con to random shear
7) duel... rofl.... lmao.... lol... VANISH ... rofl
SWINKY STOP GIVING ADVISE TO OTHER PLAYERS.. SOME POOR NUB MIGHT THINK YOU ACTUALLY KNOW WHAT YOU'Re TALKING ABOUT
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swinsk Posts: 14
Registered: 2007-11-21 15:59:26
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angrycybersurfer posted:
wow swinky, just wow... u just can't resist opening your mouth and proving to the world.. that yes you are an idiot.. i'll spell it out one last time... i'll use "small words" so you can understand..Wow you sound mad that I tell people how to kill your class. Get over it.
1) buff shear... 3 random buffs a fully buffed necro WILL have every buff possible on the pet.. to reduce the chance of losing important buffsDo you really think they are random when every time you use them it removes at least 1-2 specs and 1 base? It's random, but it's not.
2) we all know you can't compete in NF.. we knew that last year... hence the title of "the king of suck"I've rvr'd in NF longer on 1 of my SBs than you have in your entire DAOC career.
3) QQinc sucked... if i had a decent rr merc with me when your "pro" 8 man would hit me... i woulda rolled your fg easy...I agree, QQ INC sucked, big deal? I was trying to teach them how to 8v8.
4) labby is the place where all the pretenders end up hiding to avoid real rvr... lol you're a dremlok wannabe... rofl Hiding? I've already stated my purpose. Go to place with quickest RPs to hit rr12 then go everywhere and make kids like you rage 
5) nothing changed for necro's in the last year (patches)But it has for assassins...
6) shearing a necro pet of base af, acuity and health regen...is that going to make it die? because it's the same odds as getting str/con, d/q and con to random shearYou will always lose at least 1 spec from a "random" buff shear.
7) duel... rofl.... lmao.... lol... VANISH ... roflYou think I need vanish to beat you necro? I told you, man up and duel me, or are you scared that I might beat you and you can't rant on vn anymore?
SWINKY STOP GIVING ADVISE TO OTHER PLAYERS.. SOME POOR NUB MIGHT THINK YOU ACTUALLY KNOW WHAT YOU'Re TALKING ABOUT
I would stop giving advice if my advice was bad, but it's not. The truth is if you want to beat necros you need to remove buffs. The BM buff shears are more random than the cloak btw. Last 10 times I've sheared a necro I've removed either con or spec con/str. The times I've removed both has been a 3-4s fight, perf, cd, 1-2 more hits with swapping = dead necro.
Basically, you are saying I can't beat you because you will over buff your necro, wow great strategy lols...
Completely ignoring the fact that beating necros requires shearing the pet lols... This is best advice you can give to anyone who wants to fight necros. If you don't shear a necro he will LT you to death. (Assuming you are a melee)
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