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ovidbrono  1 star
Posts: 60
Registered: 2008-9-21 21:08:53
there's always a macro group up in Labyrinth near dracolinth's den. they are always there, nuoncco, and some other albs. He used to have accounts on hib and mid, but albs always ganked them. Now that they're on alb, nobody ganks them and they farm it unmolested while 3 fg's of mids are running around xroads.

i guess the best thing you can do with macro groups is kill them.
poenadare  2 stars
Posts: 381
Registered: 2001-11-5 08:09:53
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Jocke-Percival  1 star
Posts: 218
Registered: 2005-10-8 09:47:32
Ravynmagi posted:

Haha... It's entirely possible people running around with 4 or 5 characters are playing them all individually. Sure, they could be in their computer room frantically zipping around from one keyboard to the next dashing on keys with lightning precision.

But I think we all know that isn't what is actually happening.



I have a friend that does that and he is not using any macro programs. Also a lot of ppl who do use more than 2 toons splitt up their screen so they can see all the toons at once. So no tabing or anything like that is needed. He used 4-6 accounts at the same time to farm stuff.
GardianAngel  2 stars
Posts: 333
Registered: 2003-7-29 21:47:48
How did they split their screen in a legit way?

 

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Ravynmagi  4 stars
Title: Moderator
Posts: 1,098
Registered: 2001-12-23 17:10:17
Jocke-Percival posted:

Ravynmagi posted:

Haha... It's entirely possible people running around with 4 or 5 characters are playing them all individually. Sure, they could be in their computer room frantically zipping around from one keyboard to the next dashing on keys with lightning precision.

But I think we all know that isn't what is actually happening.



I have a friend that does that and he is not using any macro programs. Also a lot of ppl who do use more than 2 toons splitt up their screen so they can see all the toons at once. So no tabing or anything like that is needed. He used 4-6 accounts at the same time to farm stuff.



I wasn't thinking macros, but some sort of software or hardware that splits commands from the input device to multiple computers. If you create 4 identical caster characters (and probably a bot) and they all are performing the same action at the same time. I'm thinking it's probably human nature that someone isn't going to do this the hard manual way when it can be done much easier with a single keyboard splitting commands to multiple computers (or multiple windows on the same computer).

But I don't think everyone multi boxing is rotten and evil and should be banned. I think Mythic should watch them and decide case by case. I suspect it should be obvious whose actually playing multiple characters and who is just playing one character and splitting commands to multiple characters.

Reality though, Mythic can't do this kind of thing. So folks have to just live with it and work around these people.
Hroard
Posts: 24
Registered: 2001-12-23 01:02:58
Ravynmagi posted:

Jocke-Percival posted:

Ravynmagi posted:

Haha... It's entirely possible people running around with 4 or 5 characters are playing them all individually. Sure, they could be in their computer room frantically zipping around from one keyboard to the next dashing on keys with lightning precision.

But I think we all know that isn't what is actually happening.



I have a friend that does that and he is not using any macro programs. Also a lot of ppl who do use more than 2 toons splitt up their screen so they can see all the toons at once. So no tabing or anything like that is needed. He used 4-6 accounts at the same time to farm stuff.



I wasn't thinking macros, but some sort of software or hardware that splits commands from the input device to multiple computers. If you create 4 identical caster characters (and probably a bot) and they all are performing the same action at the same time. I'm thinking it's probably human nature that someone isn't going to do this the hard manual way when it can be done much easier with a single keyboard splitting commands to multiple computers (or multiple windows on the same computer).

But I don't think everyone multi boxing is rotten and evil and should be banned. I think Mythic should watch them and decide case by case. I suspect it should be obvious whose actually playing multiple characters and who is just playing one character and splitting commands to multiple characters.

Reality though, Mythic can't do this kind of thing. So folks have to just live with it and work around these people.



it was, and i'm sure still is, obvious, and i don't see why a csr wouldn't be able to tell on a "case by case" in 5 minutes, they just didn't want to hurt their bottom line so they look(ed) the other way.

 

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xelrecx
Posts: 43
Registered: 2010-9-13 00:30:51
ArkadyTepes posted:

lets say that my clients on 3 difrent computers

i hit keys to cast on 6 difrent characters, at 12:30:01:01, 12:30:01:14, 12:30:01:26, 12:30:01:40, 12:30:01:53, and 12:30:01:65

all within the same 1 second time frame

my PC compiles that packet, broadcast it to my cable mode, wich sends to the isp wich routes over 20 hops on the internet, all at variable times...

daoc recieves that information on theres server, processes it, then sends it back out to you...

now information coming from daoc server to your machine is gunna come in bunched up data packets, so your machine might see them all initiate casting at exactly the same time because thats when you got the data dump from mythic.

or maybe half of them would get split between data transmitions from mythics server... and they wouldnt cast at the same time

either way.. what YOU the player sees.. is COMPLETELY difrent then what the servers see


ru really this dumb, yes there is a way it is a macro program

 

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thalbert84
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Policing macro-ers is as easy as GM sending a tell to the suspected party requesting a response with a random code (i.e You have been reported for macroing, please respond to this message within 30 seconds with the code 'RZ79T5'. Thank you for your cooperation - Mythic) Punishments don't have to be wildly out of line like a lifetime ban for a first offense either, that way they aren't going to lose too many subs. Just do 36 hour bans for the first 3 offenses or something along those lines and then if the macroers don't get the idea and lay off increase ban times because they are causing more harm to the game than their sub is worth anyways. This tactic has been employed successfully on many MMOs. Just a thought.


If you are worried that macroers are actually sitting at their computer screens and just using a program to simplify a task they could likely accomplish anyways without the use of the program then quit QQ'ing -
ArkadyTepes  3 stars
Posts: 510
Registered: 2004-1-10 11:08:57
xelrecx posted:

ru really this dumb, yes there is a way it is a macro program



Are you realy that dumb?

you obviously didnt comprehend a thing of what i said.. so i guess you are that dumb.

the player cant tell, because of internet latency, and data transmissions, things that arent sync'd can appear to be sync'd and things that were sync'd on the senders end could get out of order and apear not sync'd

you have originating PC latency, originating network latency, internet latency, internal network latency, server latency, internal network latency again, internet latency again, destination network letency, destination pc latency...

all of that have difrent levels of latency at difrent times, causing things to change up.. the time stamp on your PC is far difrent then the time stamp on the originating PC

my point was and is, the PLAYER cannot tell if someone is using a macro or types realy fast...

mythic detects macro programs, but looking at the active processes in memory on the client computer, and if it sees known macro programs running, flags a csr to investigate...

 

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