Gw1 never had "leet"gear. We shall see how good GW2 is, but it will impact Daoc.

i would try GW if it had diff classes for the factions. (GW has factions i belive im not so read up on it) To me all games with more than 1 faction but that has the same classes seems pointless, why even bother with factions at all?

The variety available will be quite high I believe.

gw2 will not have "factions" .... its not a 3 faction war system....

instead it will be server vs server vs server ...

so if ywain1, 2 and 3... were fighting each other, instead of alb/mid/hib

and the servers will be shuffled around, so at one point your oponents will be servers X and Y, then A and B ...

 

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no, there wont be variety... because they will be identical.

sure they'll be a variety of classes to play, but the enemies going to war will be identical groups...

 

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Yea its just like a FPS game blue team versus read team kinda crap there is no diversity in the classes.

 

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difference of opinion I guess. I don't really mind the lack of faction vs faction variety. Individual variety will be high.

I have to say I was very stoked about GW2, but the more I see of actual PvP battles the less impressed I am. I don't know why, it just seems that no one is interested in making a deeper combat system that requires some skill. It looks like the usual button pressing, wait for CDs, etc. kinda affair. Granted this was beta footage and maybe things will get better, but what I saw was people basically doing the same 1 or 2 things over and over and over and occasionally moving around a bit.

An Elder Scroll MMO would have my money, no questions asked, just as Daamien said. Sure it won't be like the single player game, nothing can beat the immersion of a single player game, but it's just so obvious that this game should have been an MMO years ago. It's always been more of a world then a game, just like Ultima before UO, and many people would like to see that world come alive in an MMO setting. (Despite the fact that it's bound to suck, because MMOs can never come close to really bringing a world to us in the way that we wish...which naturally is a completely unrealistic vision that conveniently forgets about "MM" part of the MMO.)

You could almost bet though that an Elder Scrolls MMO would have one of the most vibrant and "realistic-feeling" fantasy worlds that we've seen to date. I also think it'll have a great advancement system, as well as solid gear, crafting, etc. system since the single-player games have always had that too. (And long before most other games had them in such depth.)

Not sure what I think about Firor being involved, but either way you slice it he's going to have to answer to a lot of existing talent at Bethesda who will fight him tooth and nail over their vision of the ES universe, which obviously they know better then anyone.

I also wouldn't be surprised if it's again primarily a PvE game anyway, but I'd still buy it just to support one of the best RPG franchises of our time.

 

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I am looking forward to trying both games in this thread. GW2 I am afraid will turn in to a WoW PvP clone. Since all sides are equal a clear winning combination will emerge and the majority of fights will take place between those combos. That is unless the PvP is dynamic and not the craptastic instanced battles you see in so many games no days, capture the flag is not PvP, it is a secondary school children's game used to occupy developing minds for short periods of time.

 

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Open world pvp is highly dynamic in gw2. It maybe a bad game still. Who knows?