Viv the quote is not 100% historically accurate. True, violence has often been the catharsis for change but not exclusively. The spread of Christianity is mostly responsible for the emergence of mainland Europe as the focal point of the world where previously the Mediterranean and the Middle East was the focal point. That was a pretty major change, agree?


Violence promotes rapid change. Peaceful methods promote slower, more stable change...which tends to make those changes less noticable.


The Vikings are a perfect example of the peaceful vs violent change. Everyone knows that The Vikings ravaged the British Isles and while they had some effect the net change is less than those Vikings who eventually established trade routes from the North of Russia, through Poland all the way down to the Middle East. Those trade routes helped civilize those peoples and exposed Eastern Europe to a civilization that was both better and more peaceful than that of the hordes who roamed the steppes.


Sorry for the history lesson but the quote is not accurate and does not even reflect Heinlen's own personal beliefs.

Ok now for my serious response to this post.


WZ/Deleted has been through about 20 different possible group set-ups. The final 8 man group hasn't even been "finalized" yet. I, myself am lvling up a healer but due to a long much needed vacation, am far behind everyone else.


We also have 2 more people to add to the mix that haven't even started lvling their chars. More than likely they will be casters.


So the WZ mid groups you see out there today won't be the end product.


We don't even have 3 savages in the guild. But yes at times while the rest of us catch up and the 50s in the guild get to know their chars etc, you may see them running with 2 or maybe 3 savages <gasp>. Probably whoever is standing at mpk yelling lfg.


And yea Mist, the old WZ Alb groups were great. It was nice being able to run an 8 man alb group that was successful and did well. But playing on Alb/Lance for almost 2 years got to all of us. Until you've played Alb/Lance for that amount of time you can't understand our frustrations and how burnt out each of us were.


And with the amount of the old WZ crew that moved to Mid/Lance and all the new friends we've made I'm pretty certain our group set up will change on a daily basis.


We didn't move to mid to make the typical "gank group". We moved there for a much needed change and to try out some new characters to make the game new and fun again. If you look at our guild roster you'll see Cerwyn made a savage and Jace who was an existing friend from mid/lance. The rest are hardly what you can call typical gank group material.


What WZ has "become" is a group of friends playing new characters and enjoying each other and the game again. To me, that's all that matters.

"i think mists post came out stronger than he first wanted"


Yeah, that's probably true Haggai. I'm just upset that yet another group of people that I enjoyed fighting has turned into yet another mid gank group that makes it impossible for me to play my caster.


"I think your quarrel is with Mythic tho mist"


True again. Mythic seems utterly incapable of fixing their own game. Any well balanced group should be able to compete with any other group from another realm that is of similar realm rank and skill.

So pathetic that people of talent run to easy mode. Lagged again didn't last long without easy mode. Kinda depressing.


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"Altrax, how many wars have there been in the last 50 years?"

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Four? Five? Something like that.


I'm not sure what the relevance of this question is.


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"How many insurections have there been in the last 50 years that have been resoleved without wars."

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I never said violence was the only way to solve a problem, but it most certianly is the most absolute way to solve one.


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"Case closed, please dont try and say wars and violence solves problems. They dont."

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You cannot argue if you are dead. Case closed.


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"My point is that lately people on these boards have some extreme hatred, this is RL hatred to someone whom they never met. This is a video game, its made for entertainment. People should not judge others by their actions in a game. nor should people hold any actions from a video game against them personally."

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I would be inclined to agree, somewhat, with this statement. There is definately a difference between simulated combat for entertainment purposes, and everyday life.


Then again, humanity has historically had difficulty seperating the two.


See: Sports. Football, Soccer, Hockey, etc.


The fact that this is a videogame instead of a hockey rink does not make it any different, i'm afraid.


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"People just grow up, learn that your playing a game and you win some and you lose some. In the end there you should be satisfied with your gaming experience, if not dont hold grudges agasint people, log off and play another game. "

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You need to understand that competetion is in essence conflict, regardless of the medium. Some games have laid back atmospheres, and some have highly charged atmospheres. Can you guess what classification DAOC tends to fall into?


There are emotions that tend to come with certian forms of conflict. You can't ask people to stop being people just because you're some damn hippy.


Also, there is NO RELATION between holding grudges and being able to tell the difference between what is a game and what is not.

Non-violent conflict resolution worked at a very visible large scale level for Ghandi, Martin Luther King Jr., and others indeed (as defined by Henry David Thoreau.) I guess you could say Jesus practiced Civil Disobedience as well.


Unfortunately, they were all killed =(.


Historically, might has always been a prime vehicle for change, and often the most expedient and cost-effective solution to a social problem.


All that aside... I woulda killed bugs too had they launched a meteor at my hometown =)


Too much H8. Ahamade needs a hug.

what bugs me is how people actually need to form gank groups now. It's rather sad. I picked my arms back in November of 2002, and haven't given up on him yet. I've got buddies who say "We should roll infs and make an inf gank group." My character selection screen still has yet to be graced by an inf. I think the game is a TON more fun when you run a pick-up group, take a few minutes to decide what each person is supposed to do, then head out. I used to run in pick-up groups w/ Sodie & Wana earlier in the year, and sometimes we'd be rolled, sometimes we'd win. The point was, these groups weren't predetermined, it was "Who've we got today?". It just makes me sad that people would roll a class knowing they'll only run as a gank group constantly. I dunno, I think I've lost my point already...

<Sorry, but over 3500 deaths is pretty clear indication that I never achieved my rps in ez mode. Even when casters were at their most powerful, they weren't half as powerful as the mid gank groups are today.>


The first 500 deaths you rolled in ez mode until everyone in Emain got to a higher rank and now your death totals have soared. Just imagine if nobody caught on to your nightly ez mode tower camping routine we wouldn't be reading this thread. Hope you don't lose respect for us all that would be a tragedy.

I guess you failed to notice the "" in the post.


I was simply trying to state that I was s/s for a long period of time and that I had a lot of experience with s/s in pve and rvr.


Which I very much did.


The numbers were not to be exact but to clearly state the experience I had.


Sorry you took that the wrong way, but that's what I meant from it.


Next time I will say.


Hi, I played s/s since start and was spec s/s until 7L9 whre I respecced hybrid/lw until 8L4.


**The point I also mentioned that it was near start was because RP's were a lot harder to get compared to today. Remember when a FG would get like 48 rp's a kill?


I spent such a long time and a lot of /play as a s/s hero.


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