"Ashmir hit it on the ball. KoS has nothing to prove to anybody in DAOC. They have accomplished a lot since the start of the game. "


I accomplished a lot back in high school as well, I just don't make a point of mentioning it much now as a bragging point when talking with other people nor do I moan and groan and cry about how high school was so much better than the present circumstances.


I will agree with X for a change: Merc > BM.

"no group will ever compare to the original slut group"


Man, I remember those times, before ra's were out, and nobody had resists, when you could kill an enemy group 1 by 1 before the mezz wore off. I still remember the first day that we had ra's, and the first thing I got was purge. This was back when I was playing my scout. My group is mezzed at the thimble by a bard who is duo'ing with a hero. The hero starts in killing my group one by one. The bard is standing with his back to me as I hit purge. He turns around just as my crit shot is about to go off. I could just see the look on his face. Bam, he's dead. I wound the hero pretty well before he's on me, and manage to hold him off until the mezz wears off on my group. God, that was one of the most satisfying battles of my life, just to finally be able to fight back against mezz.

I find it funny how noone ever mentions how our whole KoS group was out in emain during primetime even after we were told 108 albs in emain. TK, TF I dont care who was out there..but we were right smack in middle of it.


So give up this old excuse that all we do is pvp in the mornings..and the many different excuses that swim through your peanut sized brain..because its getting old.


I for one dont care who is out. I work and I work only mornings...in case some of you forget this is summertime and KoS does have some kids in the guild who play naturalists..Naturalists logs on ..instant group right there.


Example: I logged in at lunch time no group running..I logged in Sheridon (my husbands 50 druid) and instantly group was formed...after we found a bard we made a few runs, ate lunch headed back to work.


If this is the only reason you can come up with because we roll you then whatever makes you feel better.


Not to mention I half dont aggree with Mists post..Mist and I both ran our chanters last night..complete and utter ownage. Resists..yes I notice a HUGE Difference from when I quit a few months ago, but our group made it work and it worked well for us.


BTW it was 2 chanters, 1 light ment, 1 warden, 1 bard, 2 druids, and 1 hero.

As far as Hero not being the best tank, yes the Savage looks overpowered statistically. Aside from the Savage (which I expect will be nerfed eventually), regardless of individual opinion of what is considered the best tank, data facts show the Hero is outperforming all other tanks by an overwhelming margin and exhibits a data signature that past classes with the nerf bat planted in their behind have exhibited.


Last Week Total RPs

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(rank, class, rps, num of chars)


#5 Hero 27,570,906 1,368

#11 Savage 21,814,663 650

#20 Armsman 14,781,540 1,395

#22 Champion 13,683,656 904

#24 Berserker 13,384,566 1,136

#25 Warrior 12,319,835 1,043

#28 Blademaster 11,278,637 512

#29 Mercenary 11,031,648 676

#33 Thane 6,757,006 925


Last Week Avg RPs

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(rank, class, rps, num of chars)


#1 Savage 33,561 650

#2 Blademaster 22,029 512

#3 Hero 20,154 1,368

#12 Mercenary 16,319 676

#16 Champion 15,137 904

#28 Warrior 11,812 1,043

#29 Berserker 11,782 1,136

#33 Armsman 10,596 1,395

#38 Thane 7,305 925


It's common for a class with low character numbers to have high RP averages. (Blademaster) It's common for a class with high character numbers to have low RP averages (Armsman). Abnormal situations are classes with low character numbers AND low RP averages (Thanes) or high char numbers AND high RP averages (Heros). The Warrior is bordering on the abnormal case of low chars and low RPs; hardly the signature of The Best Tank in the game.

"This was back when I was playing my scout. My group is mezzed at the thimble by a bard who is duo'ing with a hero. The hero starts in killing my group one by one. The bard is standing with his back to me as I hit purge. He turns around just as my crit shot is about to go off. I could just see the look on his face. Bam, he's dead. I wound the hero pretty well before he's on me, and manage to hold him off until the mezz wears off on my group. God, that was one of the most satisfying battles of my life, just to finally be able to fight back against mezz. "


...and then a bunch of See Hidden assassins repeatedly killed my Scout so I quit and hopped to the next FotM ubah class, the Enchanter.

Vladimir,


Savage is by far the best tank...


You're to busy looking at numbers that can be modified to make it show almost any result.


Savage is the best melee class period. Is that a problem? No. There has to be a best melee class and it's 100% fine it's a Midgard class.


Even though this whole caster/melee realm stuff nowadays means almost NOTHING.


All 3 realms are almost carbon copies of each other anyway.

 

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"ou're to busy looking at numbers that can be modified to make it show almost any result."


Yes, and the numbers show that Savages will probably be nerfed eventually then they will end up like Zerks and Shadowblades. So once the obvious overpowered class is knocked to oblivion, the Hero is clearly the best tank, certainly far better than the supposed "superior warrior" you keep talking about.


But if you really think the numbers can be modified to show any result, then show me how to modify the numbers to show Warriors are better than Heros. "Facts" resulting from hand waving and "I said so" don't count.

If I felt like spending the time.


Something could be done to show that.


The easiest way Vlad is to play a Hero/Arms/Warrior for yourself and make your own judgement.


To many people just bandwagon because 1 guy will play a class well and automatically think it's the best class.


Warrior > Hero.

 

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"The easiest way Vlad is to play a Hero/Arms/Warrior for yourself and make your own judgement.


To many people just bandwagon because 1 guy will play a class well and automatically think it's the best class.


Warrior > Hero. "


Yes, I'm sure everyone is simply bandwagoning to the Hero because of one person AND playing twice as well on a char per char basis as the Warrior. We all know how skilled bandwagon players are.

OK having played Mist at thie prime of caster groups, and LA/Release there is a difference.


Mist groups could drop unsuspecting people faster with the PBAOE, but a solid group of skilled players with a good jump on emcould take out a couple of Mist's group. Also , not every hib group instantly could duplicate their success. And it was possible to run with all classes ...


Virus 23 was solid, and yes they took out some unsuspecting groups with pbaoe...but honestly, I prefered to go up vs v23 than Mist groups, a good group could do ok vs them.


Fast forward to additional aoe mez for healers, cheap purge, cheap determination, spellcrafted/alch armor that has basically benefited tanks and hurt casters...


LA/Release run where you can't do anything with crowd control and casters do 50-100 damage per cast.....oh yeah....I got a great chance to get in 20 casts on them at speed 6 to hope to drop one....


The sad part is there are a ton of knock off LA/Release groups....testimony to how easy it is to do the same thing....so call it skill, I guess, skill at deciding what toones to roll....


I suppose I will get flamed for saying how easy it is....etc etc....and dont get me wrong there are skilled players but I love the chest thumping thats goes on, gee...let me level up a tank to 50, farm for spellcrafted armor and buy determination every chance I get....now I sprint 100% of the time...oh mezzers do I worry about them? no not all....I can run right through mez....bolt casters do I worry about them? no, they will get interupted 99% of the time, and if they get a shot off, it will do 100 (-400), ..ok so now I have knifed through the enemy casters and healers ....guess I have a couple tanks to fight now...