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I posted similar posting to your forums, but basically the problem is.. Turbine double billed.. they realized they had an error and tried to refund it all. During that time, the Exchange Rate changed, and although Turbine PAID all the money they "took" the banks didn't see it that way, and only distributed a fraction of it.


Unfortunately, that happens with the global economies the way they are. Turbine didn't "Steal" anything. Your bank did.


(although the billing an un-subbed account might be something else altogether.. I haven't heard of that one until now)

What about those that paid w/ donation to you elgarl? Isnt that letting them down for a service you billed them for long ago? Lest we forgot that time HUH?

 

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Turbine refunded you the exact amount they charged you. It's not their fault exchange rates changed. If you converted your money to US$ and then paid them, and then they refunded you in US$ and you converted it back, you would have the same problem. Turbine is not responsible for the currency you want to convert your money to and the effect exchange rates have on that currency.


Should I go cry to turbine because the value of Brazilian Reais has dropped and so if I am converting from Reais I have to pay even more money for my subscription?

But no matter how you slice it, it IS their fault that they charged him at all.


I bought a $1500 Sony amplifier via Pay Pal from company X and had the money withdrawn from my checking account automatically. If the next month, they withdrew another $1500 from my account and it cause me to bounce 10 checks and I get hit with $250 in "bounced check fees" because they withdrewl the money a SECOND TIME WITHOUT MY AUTHORIZATION, you better bet I'd be royally ticked.


Turbine has "acciently double billed" me 2 times in the past. They have done it to many people also. This isn't an "isolated incident" and has been going on for MONTHS, and yet they FAIL to fix the problem. That IS Turbines fault.


Once again, this isn't so much about 80 cents (or whatever the exchange rate works out to), this is about the PERCEPTION that Turbine has as an irresponsible company. That has LONG since been Turbines problem, in MANY areas, perception.


I donated money to Elgar twice. I don't feel cheated in the least. I'm actually suprised how long he kept the server up. Everyone had 9+ weeks notice that this day would come.

My only issue with Elgar is if he did state that players would be able to use tank until Decal breaks it and now pulls his Auth server down to spite Turbine, then he has no integrity. If he stated players are good until it breaks, then he needs to stick to his word. The players have not done anything to him to justify his going off his word.


I had no anger toward the man for deciding to quit and stop supporting his program. How he decides to spend his time in life is his business and he never promised (to my knowledge) that Tank would last until AC closed. But I do believe he stated it would last until broken by Decal.

I don't even use Tank for anything except XP/hr but Elgar is a big whiny baby. Turbine didn't sit there wringing their hands maniacly thinking "How can we screw that loser Elgar today?! BILL HIM IMMEDIATELY!" and run off laughing into the night. As a programmer you should know that stuff goes wrong, you change one thing and it breaks another.


You act like Turbine personally insulted you by doing this, and swearing off all future games because of a billing error and telling your friends that the company is crap is such a baby move. You've been making Tank for so many years but you must have started when you were eight, since you're acting like a twelve year old.


I don't even care if you update your stupid program, just stop pretending to be some great martyr and get yourself e-tention.


So long, and thanks for all the fish.

 

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Elgar says:

Turbine no longer have ANY support from myself. I'll be vetoing all future Turbine games, and I'll be warning off any friends to do the same.

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That is 100% his right. It is HIS plugin, and he can do whatever he damn well wants with it. His leaving the community of freeloaders that somehow feel they are 'entitled' to the fruits of another persons labor is probably a smart thing.


Given that he has made it VERY clear that he does not want Turbine to gain ANY benefit from his software, I think the responsible thing to do for us Decal Developers is to respect his wishes and killbit the plugin.

you are a little over zealous on killing Tank Gouru. Read this thread and Elgarl's response in it http://vnboards.ign.com/ac_utilities/b5432/100109753/p1/?9 it is clear from this response that while he will not update Tank, he does not want it to die right now.

vellus: read Elgars post up a few posts.. it's clear from his post that he's killing ELTank now.. (he removed the Auth Server and it was confirmed BY HIM).