absolution you can KMA


as for being hard on wubbie, yes i was and for a reason. he was complaining very loudly in 3 or 4 places about how it's all turbine's fault and jumping all over them.


NEVER really complaining about the Nvida card. I don't have the problem in any of my four 6000 and 7000 series SO MAYBE the problem is Nvida's fault on the 8000s. I just wanted him to get off turbine's back so much he was very heavy handed from what i saw.

 

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The bug effects the AC playerbase. I have not seen the flicker bug and 8 series cards with any other game other than AC nor have I read about it anywhere.


As it effects AC, then it is Turbine's responsibility whether it is their code or not. Turbine needs to contact Nvidia and work towards a solution.


Rumor has it, that it is also happening with 9 series cards as well so this problem is only going to get bigger and broader.


Bugs and glitches happen all the time between certain games and Gfx cards. Most developers work with the card manufacturer to resolve the issues.


Tell me that if this glitch were happening in LoTRO that it would not be addressed. It would be an absolute top priority.


Why should our customer support be any less? We pay the same monthly fee and we have paid it a hell of a lot longer.


Anyone defending Turbine at this point is a retard.


1st the Vista issues...(how long will people stall on upgrading their PC only to play 1 game?).


Now the GFx issues... (only going to get worse).


..and finally all the in-game bugs, rehashes, inconsistancy, and poor poor poor support.


I can choose to stop playing AC. I know that's what alot of the fanboi's are thinking..


Instead I choose to continue to try and get my money's worth by being critical of the services we are provided.


I wonder if I am the only one who feels cheated??

 

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Agnari... WTF...


You've obviously never tried to find help from Turbine with an issue.

This is a known issue over a year old.

Turbine has made 2 statements.

"Update your video drivers" - this often resulted in the problem being worse.

"This is a known issue and we are working on it." - posted over a year ago.


And yes I had ZOMG 4 posts going in 4 different locations, because NOT EVERYONE FOLLOWS EACH BOARD AVAILABLE ON THE TUBES. And each one of them offered links into the 2 major threads, this one and the one in the main AC forum. Had you bothered to read you would know that we've sought help from Nvidia, at least 4 different card manufacturers, Turbine, people who rewrite Nvidia drivers for fun, and good old fashioned voodoo.


Nvidia doesn't have Turbines code.

The hardware companies don't have Turbines code.

Trying to capture and sacrifice Frelorn to dark gods was a bust as well.


Turbine, the company that ACTUALLY has access to the code that causes the problem, won't even bother with the simplistic BS PR answer of we are still looking into it. This leads to frustrated customers. Turbine has a bad habit of just ignoring problems and hoping they will go away. They currently have players having items just vanish from characters DAILY, they haven't acknowledged that its even possible let alone mentioned we actually read this post and are looking into it. The big problem they are working on fixing is ZOMG players are stacking the preorder gems buff to avoid dispell traps, quick steal another idea from WoW and stuff it in the code.


And no there are no reports of problems on the Series 6 or 7 cards... they are only considered to be outdated nowdays. Series 8 was the new hot toy until Series 9 came out as the new super card. Turbine has stolen so many things from WoW except the idea of making your code work on newer machines. I doubt people will try to downgrade a new PC to make it work with Turbines sporked code.


So I am loudly complaining, I'm sorry I thought a complaint was the way to try to get a solution. I should sit meekly on the sidelines and pray that Turbine gets around to thinking about fixing the problem?


So you seem to think if I buy a windshield wiper that doesn't work well I should complain to the company that made the windshield for not making it work with the wiper?


This is Turbines problem. Turbine wants to ignore it. Fanbois want me to STFU. Before you complain about what you think I may or may not have done why not read all the posts. We've used all the avenues available, I suppose I could write a letter to Blizzard to see if they can offer any help but that seems stupid...


Heavy Handed.... heh... your funny...

Stupid me for thinking that something only Turbine can do anything about is their responsibility to fix...


Oh and because you didn't actually read any of the posts you've missed 1 huge detail...

I don't own a Series 8 or 9.

I play on Series 6.

I stepped into these threads to try to help. I do tech stuff, and someone who read the posts would see that I gathered data, tried to find solutions that didn't blame Turbine and we removed every shred of hope that this was something players could fix. We offered a series of guinea pigs to Turbine to try things on all the different card only to be met with silence.


But by all means... judge me harshly for calling Turbine on their crap support...

And when one of Turbines bugs screws you over and they ignore you, hope that you can find someone like me to scream loudly to get their attention. Or did you think having 20 different posts all over the AC boards on 1 topic is better than 1 thread thats clear about the issue and offers temp solutions and lets the players see Turbine ignore the problem and fanbois defending a company that can not tell its head from its ass?


And yeah alot of my posts bait Turbine into responding in some way... short of calling them the series of words that are nonos here and there, I'm trying to get a response. Even if that response is Frelorn loosing it and telling me to ***K OFF! (BACK right?? )it means they at least looked at the thread. Over 2000 hits on the AC forums into the thread, 100+ messages, 0 Turbine input. This has to be a growing issue thats only going to get worse. But they respond to threads about why Toomies are purple...


wubbie - yeah cause I'm the problem. I'm mean to the company.

 

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My eVGA 8600 GT has the sky flicker as well.


Forceware 169.21

Memory 256MB

Video Bios: 60.84.35.00.11

PCIe Version 1.0

nForce 4 mobo chipset


Running res at 1440x900 60hz on Samsung 226BW monitor

 

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OZ-PK - welcome to the club... thats about the only nice thing I can offer.


Ok possible "workarounds" for the glitchy skyboxen...


1 - try increasing the size of the chat window, some people reported good success at about 8 lines others needed it maximized.

2 - the new chat floating windows... 100% not see thru placed over them works.


In the mean time we still wait for Turbine to admit its bugged. Check in here and on the Turbine forums form time to time any updates will be mentioned here or there.

 

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Anyone know if comparable ATI cards have this issue at all? I'm building a new computer soon and people keep recommending the 8800 because of the price versus performance. But I don't want to go that route if it's going to make AC do stupid graphical things.

Scared - it really is hit or miss with Nvidia cards atm...

Depending on the resolution you play the game in, some of the mini fixes make the game playable.

But then you have to train yourself to increase the main chat window like 3 lines or so every time you log in.

I've spoken with someone in game who is reporting new sorts of weirdness on a 5 Series card.


Ati cards have a history with AC of some problems but never anything as large as the evil skyboxen comes to mind as I think about it. The main problem with Ati card is they always ran AC REALLY dark. As I remember the original "Let There Be Light" plugin for decal was written by someone with an ATI card who couldn't get anything in game to make it bright enough to play on. It might be different now but as always YMMV...


There are alot of 88 series cards on specials all over, and the skyboxen for many people can be overcome with minor tweaks on the user side of the gui...


The decision is yours, if your a heavy AC only player look at a Series 6 or 7, if you play alot of other games you will want the power of the 8800 and will have to see what work around works for you.


wubbie - so tired of telling people get older stuff because Turbine won't lift a finger...

 

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I'm probably going to go ati, looking at a 3870 I think it is. I've never really been much of a fan of nvidia cards. I'e never had the dark screen problem either though. Of course the only ATI cards I've ever had were a radeon 64MB DDR VIVO, a radeon 9700 pro, and a radeon 9800 pro 256MB so... maybe I just got lucky.

I don't know if this would be a card that you are interested in, but apparently the Radeon X1950Pro is the last great Direct X 9 card as far as compatibility with old games goes. I've been thinking of getting one while I still can and setting up a "old game" computer. Unfortunately it's a little wimpy for the latest games.

Anyone know if comparable ATI cards have this issue at all? I'm building a new computer soon and people keep recommending the 8800 because of the price versus performance. But I don't want to go that route if it's going to make AC do stupid graphical things.


I have a 512MB Radeon HD3850 and it runs AC just fine

According to http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1697,2217144,00.asp the card is settled somewhere between the 8800GTs and the 8600GTS (and they were testing a 256MB version only!).

It's rather cheap too, at least here in Germany it costs about the same as a 512MB 8600GTS (which is about 100Euro below the 8800GTS).