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So Romney wins Iowa, what are your assessments of those still running's chances [Locked] |
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So Romney wins Iowa, what are your assessments of those still running's chances |
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Romney is the choice of people who think the blue pill solution is going to work indefinitely.
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Element_X  Posts: 65
Registered: 2001-12-20 17:55:55
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So Romney wins Iowa, what are your assessments of those still running's chances |
Ex-remlocke posted:
Element_X posted:
Ex-remlocke posted:
Element_X posted:
I love it when Ron Paul people say they will teach this country a lesson by staying home on election day if hes not the Republican nominee. Just goes to show what a bunch of spoiled irrational babies most of them are. I predict no matter who the nominee is, he will be undermined by the Ron Paul people and lose in the general election to Obama.
Unless Ron Paul is the nominee, then Obama will just destroy him in a landslide anyway.
What? How does that make Ron Paul supporters "spoiled irrational babies"? People are sick of the status quo and that's all Romney is. It may or may not be a representative sample but most Paul supporters I've seen online said they will vote third party or write in Ron Paul if he isn't on the ticket. It's the only way to get your voice taken seriously IMO. You have to show that you will stick to your guns if the Republican Party wants to continue nominating terrible candidates, one after the other. Neo-conservatives have been in power in the Republican party for over 20 years now, and it obviously isn't working, why continue the trend?
I understand how you feel, irrational as it is. See, I dont think Dr Suess could come up with a more laughable candidate than Ron Paul. Even scarier, is that you Ron Paul fans might as well be David Koresh followers with your cult-like, tunnel-visioned devotion. I haven't seen such political devotion since Hitler.
I tell you what. If Ron Paul gets the nomination, I'll write in someone else or vote for Obama just to keep Ron Paul from getting access to the presidency and giving any confirmation to Ron Paul supporters. Not worth it.
Actually, you probably don't understand how I feel, because something remotely close to your ideal candidate has been nominated for the Presidency since 1992. The Republican model of the past 20 years... DOES NOT WORK.
And just so you know, people who make comparisons to Hitler, are generally considered the irrational ones..
I didn't compare anyone to Hitler.
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faefrost Posts: 70
Registered: 2000-4-27 21:34:34
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Myn_Darklighter posted:
faefrost posted:
if Ron Paul could not eek out something stronger than a meager and weak third place finish in a caucus he will be in single digits in an actual Primary state where it is harder to concentrate his hardened supporters.
What is your definition of weak and meager?
Mitt Romney 30,015 24.6%
Rick Santorum 30,007 24.5%
Ron Paul 26,219 21.4%
Newt Gingrich 16,251 13.3%
Rick Perry 12,604 10.3%
Michele Bachmann 6,073 5%
Ron Paul's strength is and always has been in the direct caucus's. The straw polls. The events that bring out the most fired up and politically charged participants. These events cater to the personalities and to various hardened and niche position holders. The more open general primaries however are muddier. The problem isn't so much that Ron Paul came in third. It's that he lost substantially to Rick Santorum in an environment that he should have been a contender for the top slot. Ron Paul (like Newt) has always been an odd mix of policy brilliance sadly saddled with a hefty double digit percentage of b@tsh@t crazy. Right now the voting base is not up to risk taking, so the crazy isn't looking so good.
This is not to downplay Dr. Paul's brilliance or abilities in some areas. I truly hope that whoever takes the top nomination brings him into the next administration on some level for his economic and financial wizardry. (State department and foreign policy, not so much). But right now, this election cycle he is just not going to end up in a position to come anywhere near the Presidency. This might change. A total collapse of the European monetary system might be enough to inspire a greater wave of US issolationism and fiscal panic. In which case RP would be standing tall. But today, it ain't gonna happen.
Newt remains the wildcard. I don't think he has any real chance, mainly because contrary to what the media and some regular people believe, Americans aren't that stupid and don't vote for the most entertaining or fun to watch candidate. I think Americans are getting sick of Politics as a reality show. And Newt just has way too much of that going on in every way. His washout in Iowa coupled with what will be a poor performance in NH and not being on the ballot in his "home" state of Virginia is probably enough to cripple him. It would be for a sane or normal candidate. With Newt however you never know. (I predict Newt will then have an even more lucrative career on reality television, where he truly belongs.)
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Element_X Posts: 65
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I completely agree with Faefrost. My complaint is more with Ron Paul supporters (aka hale bop comet wannabe spazzoids) than Ron Paul. Ron Paul's foreign policy ideas make him unelectable in any major election. Also, the fact that he spent decades in Congress and only passed 1 piece of legislation makes him a crappy leader. BUT, and this is a big but, I hope whoever the nominee is recognizes that his fiscal ideas and portions of his platform really resonate with people, and should not be ignored. He has much to contribute in that way and I hope he is treated with respect when this is all settled. I would love to see him take a more prominent role. Maybe his chanting, eyes-rolled-into-the-back-of-their-heads, batsh*t crazy followers can find that acceptable. We can only hope.
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Ex-remlocke posted:
Actually, you probably don't understand how I feel, because something remotely close to your ideal candidate has been nominated for the Presidency since 1992. The Republican model of the past 20 years... DOES NOT WORK.
And just so you know, people who make comparisons to Hitler, are generally considered the irrational ones..
The whole problem with your premise here is that Ron Paul is exactly the same as candidates that have been nominated for the past 20 years. I understand you want Ron Paul to be different because he says he's different so you have that in your head, but reality is not what someone says but what someone does. And that makes him just like everyone else.
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Mangler_SC Title: Bellybutton Lint Collector
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Why can't we just get Bill Clinton back again?
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Rhodoman Posts: 1,397
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Element_X posted:
I completely agree with Faefrost. My complaint is more with Ron Paul supporters (aka hale bop comet wannabe spazzoids) than Ron Paul. Ron Paul's foreign policy ideas make him unelectable in any major election. Also, the fact that he spent decades in Congress and only passed 1 piece of legislation makes him a crappy leader. BUT, and this is a big but, I hope whoever the nominee is recognizes that his fiscal ideas and portions of his platform really resonate with people, and should not be ignored. He has much to contribute in that way and I hope he is treated with respect when this is all settled. I would love to see him take a more prominent role. Maybe his chanting, eyes-rolled-into-the-back-of-their-heads, batsh*t crazy followers can find that acceptable. We can only hope.
ALL the Republican nominee needs to do is incorporate enough of Paul's ideas to keep his supporters onboard and OFF the idea of having him run as a third party candidate.
Rho
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Kanga_Roo  Posts: 439
Registered: 2002-2-26 12:58:17
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The Republicans should adopt all of Ron Paul's ideas. Romney should quit being Mormon and get born again. He should basically adopt the ideas of the people he is beating. That's really smart.
The religious right candidates wouldn't even acknowledge Romney is a Christian. No amount of courting is going to fix this IMO. Don't blame Ron Paul for running, blame Bachmann and Cain for running off at the mouth.
Then they drop out LOL
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faefrost Posts: 70
Registered: 2000-4-27 21:34:34
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Mangler_SC posted:
Why can't we just get Bill Clinton back again?
Did you see the interview he did with Bill O'Reilly a week or two ago? I'm not a Bill Clinton fan, I'm very much a Reagan Republican (the real type, not the revisionist Sean Hanity type tyvm) but I gotta give the man credit where credit was due. O'Reilly asked him a ton of hard, fair and appropriate questions. Tough stuff. and on every one, at every beat Clinton responded just absolutely perfectly. It was striking at how well he came accoss, and how much he still can inspire and seem presidential. Particularly when contrasted with the entire GOP field and most notably the current occupier of the White House.
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