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if rommney runs, we loose to obama.
if rommey and an independent run, we loose to obama
if ron paul runs and an independent runs, we loose to obama
if ron paul runs and no independent runs, we have a chance
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_Elwood_  Posts: 225
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BritonGuy makes so much sense, maybe i should ask my SDT comrades to lay off him a bit.
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Dark_EternalFF  Title: Official ACF Turd
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Eggo should be careful. He's delicious when covered with syrup, and I've quite an appetite these days.
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BritonGuy Title: Serious Business
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_Elwood_ posted:
BritonGuy makes so much sense, maybe i should ask my SDT comrades to lay off him a bit.
Hopefully everyone will lay off Ron Paul and open their ears.
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Arc_DT  Title: Mithan said I am smart
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Registered: 2002-5-28 08:25:51
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BritonGuy posted:
Romney isn't a lock-in if people realize he is bought and paid for and that Ron Paul has an actual chance.
Both Romney and Paul suffer from a ceiling problem. They are less interchangeable than the other candidates, and another candidate dropping out doesn't allow them to draw support out of the loser's followers. The people they get are converts (to Paul's blatant stupidity or Romney's flaunted inevitability) that have little to do with how well or how poorly the other candidates are doing.
This bodes far better for Romney than for Paul.
The problem with Paul (besides the obvious lunacy) is that his ceiling is much lower than Romney's. As long as there are enough "unRomneys" who remain in the race to split the rest of the vote, then Romney or Paul will win the nomination. Paul's problem is that Romney has the "default" option right now by merely splitting the unRomney vote. Paul would have to both maintain the unRomney flock AND reduce Romney's converts to a lower number than his own. He has no means to do this without compromising his own principals, because the new Bain capital attacks from the unRomneys that seem to have some effect don't fit Paul's laissez-faire libertarianism at all. There's nothing in Paul's toolbox to attack Romney's specific faults, so all he has is his general distinction from the republican party, ie further blather that we will tune out.
For any of the unRomneys to win, they'd have to have two of Perry / Gingrich / Santorum drop out and consolidate support around the third. Huntsman is a non-factor; what minuscule support he gets is from an entirely different base, and there's little enough of it to be worth pursuing. I see pride as the biggest obstacle to this ever happening.
I personally think a Perry-Gingrich ticket has a good chance at the nomination (assuming Santorum drops out and supports them, perhaps for a cabinet post) and a non-trivial chance in the general. Perry goes at the top because he's more personable; those smart enough to see what a blatant idiot Perry is will take comfort in Gingrich being on the ticket. It's pretty much the same dynamic as Bush / Cheney, though not quite as extreme in dumb / evil as those two were.
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WhipSmack Posts: 358
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BritonGuy posted:
_Elwood_ posted:
BritonGuy makes so much sense, maybe i should ask my SDT comrades to lay off him a bit.
Hopefully everyone will lay off Ron Paul and open their ears.
If you only watched mainstream media you probably would think Paul is nuts. They ask him outrageous questions, mock him and edit the videos to make him look even worse. They routinely try to cut him off as he is trying to answer. Even if you hate Paul, you have to admit the media chooses a candidate. The people are gullible enough to follow. Only 2% of the delegates have been earned in this race, and we already have a winner?
To the Romney supporters...Why would you choose a candidate that is bought and paid for by lobbyists and bankers?
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Lynea Title: Dances with Trolls
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Ok, I am thoroughly confused....
I have never set someone up as a blocked user, yet I don't see any altered eggo posts. 
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The alt was killed by a mod probably.
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So whats number 2 get you ?
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Arc_DT posted:
BritonGuy posted:
Romney isn't a lock-in if people realize he is bought and paid for and that Ron Paul has an actual chance.
Both Romney and Paul suffer from a ceiling problem. They are less interchangeable than the other candidates, and another candidate dropping out doesn't allow them to draw support out of the loser's followers. The people they get are converts (to Paul's blatant stupidity or Romney's flaunted inevitability) that have little to do with how well or how poorly the other candidates are doing.
This bodes far better for Romney than for Paul.
The problem with Paul (besides the obvious lunacy) is that his ceiling is much lower than Romney's. As long as there are enough "unRomneys" who remain in the race to split the rest of the vote, then Romney or Paul will win the nomination. Paul's problem is that Romney has the "default" option right now by merely splitting the unRomney vote. Paul would have to both maintain the unRomney flock AND reduce Romney's converts to a lower number than his own. He has no means to do this without compromising his own principals, because the new Bain capital attacks from the unRomneys that seem to have some effect don't fit Paul's laissez-faire libertarianism at all. There's nothing in Paul's toolbox to attack Romney's specific faults, so all he has is his general distinction from the republican party, ie further blather that we will tune out.
For any of the unRomneys to win, they'd have to have two of Perry / Gingrich / Santorum drop out and consolidate support around the third. Huntsman is a non-factor; what minuscule support he gets is from an entirely different base, and there's little enough of it to be worth pursuing. I see pride as the biggest obstacle to this ever happening.
I personally think a Perry-Gingrich ticket has a good chance at the nomination (assuming Santorum drops out and supports them, perhaps for a cabinet post) and a non-trivial chance in the general. Perry goes at the top because he's more personable; those smart enough to see what a blatant idiot Perry is will take comfort in Gingrich being on the ticket. It's pretty much the same dynamic as Bush / Cheney, though not quite as extreme in dumb / evil as those two were.
The republicans are screwed I agree. They are divided so much that they stand no chance against Obama. There are 3 types of conservatives, You have the Libertarians, the moderates, and the Christians. None of these groups can come together to share a common candidate. This reminds me of 2004 when the democrats could have EASILY defeated bush the 2nd term, yet all they could come up with was Kerry? REALLY? Why does the media want Romney so bad?
I leave you with a great Ron Paul speech and tell me how crazy he sounds here.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Da6irSCvnZY
Most people in America today cannot live within their means so I suppose financial responsibility DOES sound crazy to them.
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