The places that are cracking down on illegal immigrants are now having sever labor shortages. The farmers are paying more and (huge suprise) people still won't take the jobs, leaving stuff to rot on the vine in many places.

Lets remove all the immigration quotas, fees, and red tape. Let them come in legally and document them. We should deal with reality rationally instead of demonizing people who are seeking the American dream and personifying it to a much greater degree than most of the people here.

 

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I realize full well the complications in everything I've said. Pulling the plug on all illegals is NOT a simple solution, either. Claiming that somehow every illegal employed equates to one lost job for an American is not at all accurate. It's real easy from the outside to point at an illegal and blame them for your woes. But getting rid of all of them will NOT fix our economy, it will only make it worse.

 

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if you do that, then they will have all the benefits as well, defeating the purpose of hiring illegals who aren't going to report you paying them crap wages and crappy working conditions.

Ahh I missed that boogeyman of yours.

I just assumed you'd stopped using this one because it was too reasonable even with your ridiculous excessive adjectives.

Muslims, cultural marxists, Mexicans, and of course the current one OMG HYPER ZIONISTS.

But that one has to be getting old, you need to come up with a newer more ridiculous boogeyman or people are going to slowly stop mocking you and just totally ignore your idiocy. (I can only do so much, especially when TRIO.)

 

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It's true that sweeping all the illegals out of the country is not a simple issue either. However, the stupidity is the way people go about addressing the overall issue.

The issue is this:

Corporations are outsourcing their labor and operations to foreign locations with a lower standard of living and lower wages.

This puts Americans out of work. Meanwhile the standard of living here has been trucking along based on higher wages than elsewhere in the world. It costs more to live in this country - the cost of housing, transportation, fuel (though that is hugely subsidized), food, other goods and services, are all based on what can be afforded by the middle class.

Now you want to lower the average wage, but not lower the cost of living and I can tell you it won't work. Nobody cares if they make $0.42/hour if they can buy gas for $0.04/gallon or a house for $3000 dollars or a car for $250.

Meanwhile, when corporations look at their bottom line they see that they're selling fewer widgets or whatever it is, because they've put so many Americans out of work, that the middle class is spending less. They see this impact on their profit statements and how do they react?

Well they cut costs of course - and lay off more workers, who spend less, and companies sell less, and meanwhile, those companies are hoarding record amounts of cash, breaking new records each quarter, their profit margins and resultant stock prices continue to rise even though they're selling less "stuff". Those who are wealthy enough to not rely on a wage but rather on capital gains are doing great, in fact, they're getting wealthier, while more and more Americans are getting poorer and can't afford to buy homes (which is another part of the vicious cycle there).

Meanwhile people are out there talking about why Americans won't work and how lazy they are, while corporate profits and profit margins are steady and/or growing... and all those people talking about the lazy slobs who won't go out and break their backs for $10/hour picking beans to keep a roof over their heads, food on the table, and gas in their car (never mind that $10/hour won't let them pay that mortgage even if they had two jobs and worked 80 hours a week).

Don't you see the folly of that? Don't you understand that this issue isn't about immigration or about laziness or about unemployment or welfare? It's about corporate greed and an unwillingness of corporations to share in the down side of economic hard times but rather to pass that all on to the lowly plebes. The great joke of it is that all of us plebes are fighting with each other over the scraps of this economy which has been raped by these brigands for the last 50 years and has finally reached a breaking point while those holding the reins get richer and richer and their influence grows.

To top it all off, you have absurdities like the corporate interests of MPAA/RIAA pushing disgusting legislature like SOPA/PIPA because they are seeing their profits shrink too as their own exploitive business model comes to its ultimate and inevitable end and so now they want to jail Americans for not tithing to them. Holy crap what an insult that our government is spending time with such bullsiht legislature while there are very real crises going on... but then, I suppose when it comes to government in the US, you get what you pay for.

 

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It's a self defeating prophecy, for sure. We're a country that prides itself on the freedom of its people to live and prosper (or not) based on their ambitions. This includes the right of businesses to do the same.

We open up to a global market and that paves the way for corporations to take advantage of the global workforce. You can't have this part both ways. You either compete on the global market taking all the good and the bad, or you don't. The rest of the world isn't going to let us sell to them but not buy their stuff. And they sure as hell aren't going to buy our stuff at the price we sell it for here.

We can't expect companies to compete on a global market without taking advantage of the cost structures it provides. When you can take your design to China, have them make it to spec, and then ship it back to the US for considerably less that what it would take to make it here, you can't seriously expect a company to do anything different, can you?

We put money before everything else here and we are now reaping the rewards of our priorities. We had no issues with it until started affecting us on a personal level and now we rage. I'm here to tell everyone that it will take a complete turn around in our priorities before we can get off this rickety ride.

We have no national pride anymore. We have no heroic leaders. We do not fight for universal fairness, justice, or for a greater good. We're all in it for ourselves and we wonder why it is all falling apart.

*sigh*

We're wrestling around in a house built without nails (or, at least, the nails have been removed). Collapse isn't a possibility, it's inevitable.

 

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The entirety of the root of the matter is actually the collusion of our government with corporate interests. The American government stopped being of, for, and by the people a long time ago and has been steadily creating an environment that favors exploitation of our middle class by corporate entities. We even went so far as to grant "personhood" status to corporations... what the fkn fkity fk? That is by the way, the very definition of fascism.


Incidentally, you can't talk about Americans' wanting "cheap" goods until or unless you address the other issues such as the FACT that American two-parent families in 2012 typically have both parents working full time in order to have the same lifestyle as that same family had in 1950 with ONE parent working full time. Americans for the past 60 years have worked more and more for less and less relative to the cost of living. So yeah, we want to buy Chinese made crap at Wal-Mart because unless we start putting our kids to work earlier, that's what we can fkn afford! When you address that issue and come to grips with the root of it, I think you will see that the whole "Americans just want cheap stuff" argument doesn't hold any water.

 

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Actually you missed the point! All of them...

 

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