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Breaking: Court strikes down gay marriage ban in California! [Locked] |
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1/1/00 12:00am
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AliHajiSheik posted:
I wonder how Judge Reinhardt feels about affirmative action, among other topics where the law "treats different people differently."
See, this game is fun...
Don't count on the phonies at the ACLU taking on that case.
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Second_Chance  Title: Great One
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Registered: 2001-2-28 15:45:11
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faefrost posted:
Second_Chance posted:
faefrost posted:
What astonishes me is how many think that this is a good thing?
For the record I do support gay marriage. The reasons to allow it outweigh the reasons against it. But it must come from the Legislature. There is no other way.
What happened here today was a federal court (with a long sordid history of similar behavior) overturned a states constitutionally protected sovereignty and created state law from the federal bench. They overturned legitimate state constitutional actions with absolutely no basis or precedent beyond "we think so". This is NOT how we are governed. Just because the outcome may be what a lot of people want does not in any way legitimize this process or this courts actions. The state of California and more directly the people of California had spoken on this issue. Right or wrong. It was within their sovereign rights to do so. Just as it was within New Yorks sovereign rights to choose to legislatively change the existing laws and allow such an evolution of societal mores.
Such a profanity theory. A state cannot violate your 14 amendment rights just because they want to and they have some states-appointed sovereign right to do so.
No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.
“Although the Constitution permits communities to enact most laws they believe to be desirable, it requires that there be at least a legitimate reason for the passage of a law that treats different people differently,†Judge Stephen Reinhardt wrote in the decision. “There was no such reason that Proposition 8 could have been enacted.â€
How does definitions of marriage deny anyone equal protections under the laws? What is the point of discrimination? The defining documentation at the federal level not only defines a limitation of marriage as 1 man and 1 woman, it in fact requires it as a condition of statehood in the union? Same sex marriage is a good idea whose time has probably come. This is not the same as it being a legal right that can be declared whole cloth out of thin air by a federal court.
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-MrBean- Title: Now With Extra Baldness
Posts: 357
Registered: 2001-5-23 14:15:00
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Hawkson posted:
-MrBean- posted:
Hawkson posted:
Prop 8 was funded by a Utah-based religious organization, that has no business being in California politics.
Take that for what you will.
This.
The Mormons in UTAH threw more money against this proposition than all the other backers combined.
Minor clarification- you're right that they threw all kinds of money at it, but it was to pass it - as the goal of Prop. 8 was to ban gay marriage.
You're right. My thought process changed in the middle of my sentence, from "to get the proposition to pass" to "against gays being allowed to marry" and I kinda meshed it together 
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jeune  Posts: 216
Registered: 2005-5-29 13:25:11
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faefrost posted:
How does definitions of marriage deny anyone equal protections under the laws? What is the point of discrimination? The defining documentation at the federal level not only defines a limitation of marriage as 1 man and 1 woman, it in fact requires it as a condition of statehood in the union? Same sex marriage is a good idea whose time has probably come. This is not the same as it being a legal right that can be declared whole cloth out of thin air by a federal court.
The court did not find a legal right. They invalidated a law that violated the Constitution of the United States.
Marriage is a social construction that has changed through time and cultures... if the state is involved in issuing marriages certificates/ giving benefits to couples then the law needs to be equal to everyone.
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Banelord_FF Title: Cunstrukshen Werker
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Registered: 2002-1-3 14:33:41
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jeune posted:
faefrost posted:
How does definitions of marriage deny anyone equal protections under the laws? What is the point of discrimination? The defining documentation at the federal level not only defines a limitation of marriage as 1 man and 1 woman, it in fact requires it as a condition of statehood in the union? Same sex marriage is a good idea whose time has probably come. This is not the same as it being a legal right that can be declared whole cloth out of thin air by a federal court.
The court did not find a legal right. They invalidated a law that violated the Constitution of the United States.
Marriage is a social construction that has changed through time and cultures... if the state is involved in issuing marriages certificates/ giving benefits to couples then the law needs to be equal to everyone.
And as usual you completely missed the point.
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Arc_DT Title: Mithan said I am smart
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Registered: 2002-5-28 08:25:51
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Aerlinthian posted:
I look forward to the government getting out of the marriage business so that polygamy and polyandry is no longer criminalized.
So did the Romneys, but they got tired of waiting.
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Arc_DT Title: Mithan said I am smart
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Jezza_Belle posted:
I don't see why there is so much discrimination on who we should and shouldn't love, as long as the people are of age, not being bought/sold... I don't see a problem with multiple marriages.
The problem with traditional polygamy is that the women are chattel. For a multiple marriage to be legal in today's legal framework of equality under law, *all* parties must marry *all* parties, not merely one person acquiring multiple spouses. After all, a marriage is a legal joining of property rights, and one party can't extend and dilute those property rights by unilaterally including another person in the arrangement.
I have no opposition to true group marriages.
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Gildash  Posts: 515
Registered: 2001-4-26 16:26:13
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Proposition 8 serves no purpose, and has no effect, other than to lessen the status and human dignity of gays and lesbians in California, and to officially reclassify their relationships and families as inferior to those of opposite-sex couples,†wrote U.S. Circuit Judge Stephen Reinhardt. “The Constitution simply does not allow for laws of this sort.â€
F***ing well said.
Damn.
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Caoilin  Title: Instigator
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Registered: 2001-11-20 00:03:45
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Aerlinthian posted:
I look forward to the government getting out of the marriage business so that polygamy and polyandry is no longer criminalized.
i genuinely don't understand why these are crimes. honestly why in the sweet fk is being "married" to more than one person a felony? that's one of the stupidest things i've ever heard in my life.
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Hyperimiator Title: Maximus Probus
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Registered: 2001-7-20 18:55:36
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FineYoungCannibals posted:
why would you want 4 wives, i can barely handle one
They have medication for that now.
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