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JD_HOGG  4 stars
Posts: 2,846
Registered: 2008-3-18 08:04:21
Sheesh. We're just going to skip $4 and $5 as a given, and go right on up to $6. Let's talk about $5 first when gasoline tops $4 shall we?
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Registered: 2001-7-20 21:19:21
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jeune  1 star
Posts: 216
Registered: 2005-5-29 13:25:11
notmforce2k posted:

I understand accidents happen, but it is a rare occurance to obliterate a species or make an area uninhabitable (ie permanent damage). People were crying doom at previous pipelines that animals have adapted to without missing a beat (unless you're strictly talking about spills, which I was not. I am talking structures).

I hate seeing spills like anyone else does but energy is a necessity for humans. Period. And the fact of the matter is that it will likely take decades to make any substantial switch to weaker resources like windmills or solar. It is not feasible right now. We need gas and we need oil.



The oil in Alaska should be considered a strategic National security asset... what if something happens in the ME... what if oil stops flowing?! The U.S. would be pretty screwed... our military cannot do anything without a steady and reliable supply of oil.

The issue to me has very little to do with the environment... I just find it hard to justify extracting our natural resources with absolutely NO planning for the future.

The U.S. is in dire need of a national energy plan that looks well into the future... I think it would be a great idea to drill in Alaska and use that oil during a transitional period... but I will not support drilling because I want lower prices... that is greedy and generational theft.

 

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notmforce2k  4 stars
Posts: 1,209
Registered: 2011-10-9 09:37:34
Most of that (Alaska) isn't tapped into right now, is it? Aren't we several years away from being able to extract, refine, and use it? So events if the ME dried up or some dire fallout happened with our relationships there it isn't like we are in a position to just pick up the slack overnight with our own assets.
jeune  1 star
Posts: 216
Registered: 2005-5-29 13:25:11
notmforce2k posted:

Most of that (Alaska) isn't tapped into right now, is it? Aren't we several years away from being able to extract, refine, and use it? So events if the ME dried up or some dire fallout happened with our relationships there it isn't like we are in a position to just pick up the slack overnight with our own assets.



They already have a pipeline across the whole state... ANWR is Federal land owned by the American people and not Alaska... it is right next to Purdue Bay where the state has been producing oil for decades.

My guess is if Congress opens up ANWR it will be a field day for the oil companies... they would only need a small connecting pipe to the main pipeline/already have all the equipment up there for development/extraction.

It is actually the perfect big pocket of oil/readily available if we ever need it.

 

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Ashmaele  4 stars
Title: Pastor of Muppets
Posts: 1,809
Registered: 2002-1-15 08:30:50
notmforce2k posted:

I understand accidents happen, but it is a rare occurance to obliterate a species or make an area uninhabitable (ie permanent damage). People were crying doom at previous pipelines that animals have adapted to without missing a beat (unless you're strictly talking about spills, which I was not. I am talking structures).

I hate seeing spills like anyone else does but energy is a necessity for humans. Period. And the fact of the matter is that it will likely take decades to make any substantial switch to weaker resources like windmills or solar. It is not feasible right now. We need gas and we need oil.



You can /handwave away the environmental factors if you want...most people do not care about them unless/until a spill happens that affects the tomato plants in their back yards, but to pretend that they do not exist is simply factually inaccurate.

 

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