Date Posted:1/1/00 12:00amSubject:
I think the first steps towards peace on earth would be...
MoFoEskimo posted:
Dark_EternalFF posted:
MoFoEskimo posted: And #2!
Finding ideals that ALL humans can agree upon, and beginning our foundation from there.
That's easy. Humans will only unite if faced with an external threat. Right now, we are free to bicker and slaughter each other as we like, being apex predators of every environment on this planet.
However, if a malevolent sentient species other than our own would either evolve or arrive on this planet, and rise up to destroy us, we would finally unite as one to repel the threat.
If no other sentient life other than our own exists, we are doomed to an eternity(?) of infighting. It's as simple as that. The reptillian portions of our brain along with our aggression hormones, our connection to the animal kingdom, will continually drive us to violence. It is what we are.
I agree wholeheartedly, and very well put might I add.
I still believe that if it were at all possible to achieve peace within our infighting, without an outside threat, we would start with our basic necessities. We see it as impossible right now but who knows, perhaps implementing such an idea could create a new bond that we previously had no thought of or connection to. Maybe using the foresight to appease as many of our reptilian desires as possible would give us more control/stability in a very broad, perspective-based sense.
Great! All we need to do then is for everyone to download SETI@home so we can find some aliens soon. Algae on Mars won't be enough, we need some Mars Attacks types.
I agreed with your sentiment earlier, just not in so many letters. Your reply sounds a bit more like what was going on in my head though
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Date Posted:1/1/00 12:00amSubject:
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I dunno what Mofo has been smoking but I really want some if it makes you see the world in that kind of goody good light version
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Date Posted:1/1/00 12:00amSubject:
I think the first steps towards peace on earth would be...
LadyMetropolis posted:
Dark_EternalFF posted:
MoFoEskimo posted: And #2!
Finding ideals that ALL humans can agree upon, and beginning our foundation from there.
That's easy. Humans will only unite if faced with an external threat. Right now, we are free to bicker and slaughter each other as we like, being apex predators of every environment on this planet.
However, if a malevolent sentient species other than our own would either evolve or arrive on this planet, and rise up to destroy us, we would finally unite as one to repel the threat.
If no other sentient life other than our own exists, we are doomed to an eternity(?) of infighting. It's as simple as that. The reptillian portions of our brain along with our aggression hormones, our connection to the animal kingdom, will continually drive us to violence. It is what we are.
This is totally true. If you study street gangs and how they operate/interact, you will see the same pattern emerge on a smaller scale.
On an even smaller scale, they've proved it with forum communities. Forum communities have a 'scapegoat', or someone they beat up on regardless of how the other person acts. However, if an external force enters, the whole community bands together to crush them, even if they pick on the 'scapegoat'.
An example would be how everyone here picks on sooz, but if someone from the Vesti shows up, it's an automatic 'GTFO'
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Date Posted:1/1/00 12:00amSubject:
I think the first steps towards peace on earth would be...
LadyMetropolis posted:
MoFoEskimo posted:
You obviously don't recognize how peaceful we truly are. If we weren't, the world would not be what it is.
If we were... the world would not be what it is.[/quote
Not following your logic, here.
As anyone winning a game would say -- "SCOREBOARD!!"
Look at how many people on this planet are currently living in peace.
And however many people that are not currently living in peace - look at how many wish to remain in that state of being.
Our peace is only dismissed because we as humans are SO peaceful that anything that is not, effects us very deeply. Meaning it doesn't matter if the statistics say 10:1, or 1,000:1, or 100,000,000:1 - relative to us, in our deepest truth, that single little 1 relative to humans can equal 100,000,000. We know, subconsciously or otherwise, if the individual loses the ability to have meaning amongst the masses, the masses have no purpose.
That is why our peaceful nature as animals goes unrecognized. We are united, but we remain in a complete disconnect with our unity. We FIND and CREATE ways to not be united. Because we have to. As DE pointed out, in a situation where a outer threat becomes apparent we will huddle together. We're only capable of doing that in a dire situation BECAUSE we're capable of doing it now.
In fact we're practicing, and we're our harshest critic. Like I said we dismiss our successes because of our failures.
Date Posted:1/1/00 12:00amSubject:
I think the first steps towards peace on earth would be...
NonOffensiveName posted: I dunno what Mofo has been smoking but I really want some if it makes you see the world in that kind of goody good light version
I always see it this way, and it's effing depressing when you're the only one.
Date Posted:1/1/00 12:00amSubject:
I think the first steps towards peace on earth would be...
Dark_EternalFF posted:
LadyMetropolis posted:
Dark_EternalFF posted:
MoFoEskimo posted:
And #2!
Finding ideals that ALL humans can agree upon, and beginning our foundation from there.
That's easy. Humans will only unite if faced with an external threat. Right now, we are free to bicker and slaughter each other as we like, being apex predators of every environment on this planet.
However, if a malevolent sentient species other than our own would either evolve or arrive on this planet, and rise up to destroy us, we would finally unite as one to repel the threat.
If no other sentient life other than our own exists, we are doomed to an eternity(?) of infighting. It's as simple as that. The reptillian portions of our brain along with our aggression hormones, our connection to the animal kingdom, will continually drive us to violence. It is what we are.
This is totally true. If you study street gangs and how they operate/interact, you will see the same pattern emerge on a smaller scale.
On an even smaller scale, they've proved it with forum communities. Forum communities have a 'scapegoat', or someone they beat up on regardless of how the other person acts. However, if an external force enters, the whole community bands together to crush them, even if they pick on the 'scapegoat'.
An example would be how everyone here picks on sooz, but if someone from the Vesti shows up, it's an automatic 'GTFO'
But that's also showing it from the opposite point of view of what you originally said. The person from the vesti is the complete opposite of what a malevolent sentient species would be.
It's just another stupid a-hole, yet we'd all band together to say GTFO.
This is what I mean by targeting the things we can ALL agree on. Who here tolerates sooz would get a much different response than who wants a random vesti to start posting here like he owns the place?
Date Posted:1/1/00 12:00amSubject:
I think the first steps towards peace on earth would be...
MoFoEskimo posted:
LadyMetropolis posted:
MoFoEskimo posted:
You obviously don't recognize how peaceful we truly are. If we weren't, the world would not be what it is.
If we were... the world would not be what it is.[/quote
Not following your logic, here.
As anyone winning a game would say -- "SCOREBOARD!!"
Look at how many people on this planet are currently living in peace.
And however many people that are not currently living in peace - look at how many wish to remain in that state of being.
Our peace is only dismissed because we as humans are SO peaceful that anything that is not, effects us very deeply. Meaning it doesn't matter if the statistics say 10:1, or 1,000:1, or 100,000,000:1 - relative to us, in our deepest truth, that single little 1 relative to humans can equal 100,000,000. We know, subconsciously or otherwise, if the individual loses the ability to have meaning amongst the masses, the masses have no purpose.
That is why our peaceful nature as animals goes unrecognized. We are united, but we remain in a complete disconnect with our unity. We FIND and CREATE ways to not be united. Because we have to. As DE pointed out, in a situation where a outer threat becomes apparent we will huddle together. We're only capable of doing that in a dire situation BECAUSE we're capable of doing it now.
In fact we're practicing, and we're our harshest critic. Like I said we dismiss our successes because of our failures.
Damn I thought we were already on a path to working out #2. So it isn't SETI@home then, that gets us going on the path... we need something else.
..."That is why our peaceful nature as animals goes unrecognized." This sounds like shrooms and Wicca, I don't think you meant that...maybe some sort of neural net like a... collective?
The Borg! We could be like that, all connected, unified, everyone's needs tended to, no money involved. I think we still need SETI@home, so we can steal some alien tech to do this.
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Date Posted:1/1/00 12:00amSubject:
I think the first steps towards peace on earth would be...
Mmm. Humanity is only as good as our lifestyle allows us to be. If we do not solve the energy crisis soon, we will return to the feudal era of defending and attacking for resources, except with 7 billion people, and semi-functional nuclear weapons. One has only to look to the poorest nations to see the disregard for human life that occurs on a large scale in the quest for resources and a better life.
It will not be pleasant.
Despite what our politicians would have us believe, the most important thing for any one person is their living situation. If you're going hungry, what the rich homos next door are doing to each other doesn't matter. You'll rob and kill them for their food, not because of their lifestyle. People only start giving a crap about stupid isht when their basic needs are met and they don't have to worry about where their next meal is coming from, or whether or not they'll die a violent death tomorrow. If everyone in the world lived like a middle-class American did, we'd still find something to kill each other over. It's a physiological problem, not a psychological one.
Humanity could, at some point, overcome this through the use of technology - the technological singularity. However, one must wonder if removing aggression, desire, and ambition...destroys that which makes us human to begin with.
I truly believe that there will always be conflict within the human race. However, I also believe that if we can solve the energy crisis and escape to the stars - an infinite plane of existence with (theoretically) infinite resources - that aggression can be redirected to simple economic competition, rather than physical confrontation. I only wish I was better at the maths so I could solve it for us.
But maths are gay. So gay.
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