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JD_HOGG  4 stars
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levgre posted:

HeartView posted:

Belief in religion is no different than belief in anything else you cannot prove directly yourself. You may not pray to a god but you take things on "faith" daily. Every time you hear something from a friend that you trust and accept it as fact (or at least don't question it) then you might as well be practicing religion. Consider religion as proof from within.



Yeah but the difference is I don't take something I hear from a friend and base tremendous beliefs off of it, like that I could face an eternity of pain once I die.



You believe in Global Warming don't you? So you take something you hear from a total stranger and base tremendous beliefs off of that, like we could all die in a horrible flood if we don't stop using all fossil fuels.
levgre  3 stars
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JD_HOGG posted:

levgre posted:

HeartView posted:

Belief in religion is no different than belief in anything else you cannot prove directly yourself. You may not pray to a god but you take things on "faith" daily. Every time you hear something from a friend that you trust and accept it as fact (or at least don't question it) then you might as well be practicing religion. Consider religion as proof from within.



Yeah but the difference is I don't take something I hear from a friend and base tremendous beliefs off of it, like that I could face an eternity of pain once I die.



You believe in Global Warming don't you? So you take something you hear from a total stranger and base tremendous beliefs off of that, like we could all die in a horrible flood if we don't stop using all fossil fuels.



As a science-minded person I don't believe in any scientific fact in that manner. My mind would not be blown if global warming ended up not existing. Although since scientific knowledge is linked from one piece of knowledge/logic to another, there'd be a very extraordinary explanation as to why all the data supporting global warming was so neatly misleading.

And the melting of glaciers would just flood lower elevation shorelines... New York, Netherlands, etc. Not everyone.

 

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JD_HOGG  4 stars
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levgre posted:

JD_HOGG posted:

levgre posted:

HeartView posted:

Belief in religion is no different than belief in anything else you cannot prove directly yourself. You may not pray to a god but you take things on "faith" daily. Every time you hear something from a friend that you trust and accept it as fact (or at least don't question it) then you might as well be practicing religion. Consider religion as proof from within.



Yeah but the difference is I don't take something I hear from a friend and base tremendous beliefs off of it, like that I could face an eternity of pain once I die.



You believe in Global Warming don't you? So you take something you hear from a total stranger and base tremendous beliefs off of that, like we could all die in a horrible flood if we don't stop using all fossil fuels.



As a science-minded person I don't believe in any scientific fact in that manner. My mind would not be blown if global warming ended up not existing. Although since scientific knowledge is linked from one piece of knowledge/logic to another, there'd be a very extraordinary explanation as to why all the data supporting global warming was so neatly misleading.

And the flooding from the melting of glaciers flood all of us, just lower elevation shorelines... New York, Netherlands, etc.


Again, you are taking something you hear from a total stranger and basing your belief off of that. You aren't out there measuring things are you? You aren't out there investigating other possibilities are you? You're just taking the body of work that total strangers choose to reveal to you and accepting that as the truth.
levgre  3 stars
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JD_HOGG posted:

levgre posted:

JD_HOGG posted:

levgre posted:

HeartView posted:

Belief in religion is no different than belief in anything else you cannot prove directly yourself. You may not pray to a god but you take things on "faith" daily. Every time you hear something from a friend that you trust and accept it as fact (or at least don't question it) then you might as well be practicing religion. Consider religion as proof from within.



Yeah but the difference is I don't take something I hear from a friend and base tremendous beliefs off of it, like that I could face an eternity of pain once I die.



You believe in Global Warming don't you? So you take something you hear from a total stranger and base tremendous beliefs off of that, like we could all die in a horrible flood if we don't stop using all fossil fuels.



As a science-minded person I don't believe in any scientific fact in that manner. My mind would not be blown if global warming ended up not existing. Although since scientific knowledge is linked from one piece of knowledge/logic to another, there'd be a very extraordinary explanation as to why all the data supporting global warming was so neatly misleading.

And the flooding from the melting of glaciers flood all of us, just lower elevation shorelines... New York, Netherlands, etc.


Again, you are taking something you hear from a total stranger and basing your belief off of that. You aren't out there measuring things are you? You aren't out there investigating other possibilities are you? You're just taking the body of work that total strangers choose to reveal to you and accepting that as the truth.


Science is just as much about developing a community of knowledge, as it is about individual research. They anticipated your concern, and developed a robust language/system to combat it. Few major scientific advances are done by just one person, yet we still have somehow managed to develop nanotechnology and super computers.

A final test for truth/accuracy is if one scientist's research ends up accurate and useful in other scientists' works... then you become increasingly sure the research was an accurate measurement of reality.

 

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Rhodoman  4 stars
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Belief in the literal truth of religious myths is, I think, rather rare.

Most folks today realize that most of religious texts' narrative is purposely allegorical in order to make larger points about how we should be behaving.

Rho

 

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faefrost  1 star
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levgre posted:

I'm not saying all religion is stupid or that faith can't be intelligent... but some of it seems so far-fetched.


Like hell and the rapture, it's so blatant as a fear-mongering control device.

And then you have wars between angels, Noah's Ark, Garden of Eden, and so much more.

It just seems to all be too much.



Good discussion starting place. Now apply your logic and thought process to some "none religious" similar myths and see how they stack up. I recommend starting with "Global Warming"

 

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JD_HOGG  4 stars
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levgre posted:

Science is just as much about developing a community of knowledge, as it is about individual research. They anticipated your concern, and developed a robust language/system to combat it. Few major scientific advances are done by just one person, yet we still have somehow managed to develop nanotechnology and super computers.

A final test for truth/accuracy is if one scientist's research ends up accurate and useful in other scientists' works... then you become increasingly sure the research was an accurate measurement of reality.



I think we're getting off track from the question, "why do people still believe in religious myths?" You are talking about stories like Noah's ark, aren't you? There certainly are people who take that myth literally, and to that I have to say, because they are brainwashed. There can be no other explanation because even a person of below average intelligence can look at the vast number of species that are alive today and see that the size of a boat needed to fit 2 of each would far exceed the dimensions specified in the bible, an ark which would be smaller than a modern cargo ship.
Anebriated  3 stars
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Registered: 2003-1-27 21:26:11
faefrost posted:

Good discussion starting place. Now apply your logic and thought process to some "none religious" similar myths and see how they stack up. I recommend starting with "Global Warming"



http://climate.nasa.gov/


oh nooo, there is no separation of church and state. noooooo
Lyndrek  3 stars
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difference between literal religion and science is simple.

Religion: this is how it is and that's that.

Science: this is how we think it is, please review and prove us wrong.


When shown proof that their claims are highly unlikely or wrong-

Religion: I don't believe you the book says it's not so and as such it is not so.

Science: Wow awesome findings, I now have to come up with an theory that explains it. Once I'm done can you review it and try to prove us wrong again? thanks you're the man!


again this is the religious nut job freaks who take a 2000 year old book as literal, not the ones who use it as metaphor and allegory to teach life lessons. It's also not the fake science perpetual motion machine freaks either.

 

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levgre  3 stars
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faefrost posted:

levgre posted:

I'm not saying all religion is stupid or that faith can't be intelligent... but some of it seems so far-fetched.


Like hell and the rapture, it's so blatant as a fear-mongering control device.

And then you have wars between angels, Noah's Ark, Garden of Eden, and so much more.

It just seems to all be too much.



Good discussion starting place. Now apply your logic and thought process to some "none religious" similar myths and see how they stack up. I recommend starting with "Global Warming"



Yeah... I don't give global warming any pass. I don't think we are in imminent danger, damage will occur more progressively so we will see critical impacts coming to an extent. However when you already see changes happening at record rates, and we really have no way to quickly reverse the process, you SHOULD proceed with caution.

If everyone was like you and disregarded the impact we can have on the global environment, we'd be in pretty horrible shape with CFCs depleting the Ozone layer.

 

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