Date Posted:1/1/00 12:00amSubject:
Could I destroy the entire Roman Empire if I traveled back in time with with a modern Marine infantr
look, forget all the bs conjecture about FINDING Rome, here is the premise as written up by the guy who got the movie deal
DAY 1
The 35th MEU is on the ground at Kabul, preparing to deploy to southern Afghanistan. Suddenly, it vanishes.
The section of Bagram where the 35th was gathered suddenly reappears in a field outside Rome, on the west bank of the Tiber River. Without substantially prepared ground under it, the concrete begins sinking into the marshy ground and cracking. Colonel Miles Nelson orders his men to regroup near the vehicle depot—nearly all of the MEU’s vehicles are still stripped for air transport. He orders all helicopters airborne, believing the MEU is trapped in an earthquake.
Nelson’s men soon report a complete loss of all communications, including GPS and satellite radio. Nelson now believes something more terrible has occurred—a nuclear war and EMP which has left his unit completely isolated. Only a few men have realized that the rest of Bagram has vanished, but that will soon become apparent as the transport helos begin circling the 35th’s location.
Within an hour, the 2,200 Marines have regrouped, stunned. They are not the only moderns transported to Rome. With them are about 150 Air Force maintenance and repair specialists. There are about 60 Afghan Army soldiers, mostly the MEU’s interpreters and liaisons. There are also 15 U.S. civilian contractors and one man, Frank Delacroix, who has spoken to no one but Colonel Nelson.
Miraculously, no one was killed during the earthquake but several dozen people were injured, some seriously. All fixed-wing aircraft and the attack helicopters were rendered inoperable by the shifting concrete, although the MEU did not lose a single vehicle or transport helicopter.
As night falls, the MEU has established a perimeter. A few locals have been spotted, but in the chaos no one has yet established contact. Nelson and his men, who are crippled without mapping software and GPS to fix their position, begin attempting to fix their location by observing stars. The night is cloudy. Nelson orders four helicopters back into the air at first light, to travel along the river in hopes of locating a settlement.
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Date Posted:1/1/00 12:00amSubject:
Could I destroy the entire Roman Empire if I traveled back in time with with a modern Marine infantr
Ah-Schoo posted: What are the chances of the average American even finding Rome on a map?
We arent talking about average Americans, we are talking about 2000 average Marines. So next to nothing.
Date Posted:1/1/00 12:00amSubject:
Could I destroy the entire Roman Empire if I traveled back in time with with a modern Marine infantr
jeune posted: I think when you go into any battle with an ego like that you are probably going to end up like Custer.
"To the thousands of indian warriors howling their murderous war cries, it was just like hunting buffalo.
Before them, hundreds of American soldiers were retreating in disarray, stumbling and dying on the grassy slope above the Little Bighorn River.
These were no longer government troopers but terrified members of a desperate mob.
The indians, on foot and on horseback, riddled them with bullets, pummelled them with stone hammers and shot them down with arrows."
really now do you even know the actual details of the battle? Custer ignored orders, split his command, left his gatling gun and cannon support behind, because he considered it a burden.
what it basically boiled to was the Indians out gunned the Army.
the Indians had better guns then Custers men, Indians where equipped with repeating lever action rifles they looted or traded for.
and the Army was using single action flip top springfield rifles.
you act like the Indians pulled off a brilliant strategic victory, no they got lucky due to inept leadership of Gen Custer.
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Date Posted:1/1/00 12:00amSubject:
Could I destroy the entire Roman Empire if I traveled back in time with with a modern Marine infantr
aon_mixed posted: look, forget all the bs conjecture about FINDING Rome, here is the premise as written up by the guy who got the movie deal
DAY 1
The 35th MEU is on the ground at Kabul, preparing to deploy to southern Afghanistan. Suddenly, it vanishes.
The section of Bagram where the 35th was gathered suddenly reappears in a field outside Rome, on the west bank of the Tiber River. Without substantially prepared ground under it, the concrete begins sinking into the marshy ground and cracking. Colonel Miles Nelson orders his men to regroup near the vehicle depot—nearly all of the MEU’s vehicles are still stripped for air transport. He orders all helicopters airborne, believing the MEU is trapped in an earthquake.
Nelson’s men soon report a complete loss of all communications, including GPS and satellite radio. Nelson now believes something more terrible has occurred—a nuclear war and EMP which has left his unit completely isolated. Only a few men have realized that the rest of Bagram has vanished, but that will soon become apparent as the transport helos begin circling the 35th’s location.
Within an hour, the 2,200 Marines have regrouped, stunned. They are not the only moderns transported to Rome. With them are about 150 Air Force maintenance and repair specialists. There are about 60 Afghan Army soldiers, mostly the MEU’s interpreters and liaisons. There are also 15 U.S. civilian contractors and one man, Frank Delacroix, who has spoken to no one but Colonel Nelson.
Miraculously, no one was killed during the earthquake but several dozen people were injured, some seriously. All fixed-wing aircraft and the attack helicopters were rendered inoperable by the shifting concrete, although the MEU did not lose a single vehicle or transport helicopter.
As night falls, the MEU has established a perimeter. A few locals have been spotted, but in the chaos no one has yet established contact. Nelson and his men, who are crippled without mapping software and GPS to fix their position, begin attempting to fix their location by observing stars. The night is cloudy. Nelson orders four helicopters back into the air at first light, to travel along the river in hopes of locating a settlement.
Exactly, they are lost, and are probably going to be out of gas before then even get to an actual battle. Air support will be worthless. By the end of the first real battle the group is out of gas, out of bullets, and are not trained to fight in hand to hand combat like a roman soldier. They are basically screwed.
Date Posted:1/1/00 12:00amSubject:
Could I destroy the entire Roman Empire if I traveled back in time with with a modern Marine infantr
Ah-Schoo posted:
Cuttlery posted:
Sith_Mauler posted:
NeoKarnak posted: You run out of fuel and bullets before you can conquer the whole thing IMO.
wouldnt have to head straight to Rome, cut the head off.this would depend on where the meu was deployed and if that meu still had support of the gator navy.
a platoon of abrams rolling into rome with cobra gunships and harriers flying support.
the tech level that a modern meu would bring would make them gods.
even a bic lighter would someone a minor deity.
I think you are missing the piece about even finding Rome. No GPS, no modern communication. Unless they were right on top of Rome they'd never even find Rome before running out of gas. A compass doesnt do a lot of good, if you dont know where you are, and have no map.
What are the chances of the average American even finding Rome on a map?
Date Posted:1/1/00 12:00amSubject:
Could I destroy the entire Roman Empire if I traveled back in time with with a modern Marine infantr
Sith_Mauler posted:
jeune posted: I think when you go into any battle with an ego like that you are probably going to end up like Custer.
"To the thousands of indian warriors howling their murderous war cries, it was just like hunting buffalo.
Before them, hundreds of American soldiers were retreating in disarray, stumbling and dying on the grassy slope above the Little Bighorn River.
These were no longer government troopers but terrified members of a desperate mob.
The indians, on foot and on horseback, riddled them with bullets, pummelled them with stone hammers and shot them down with arrows."
really now do you even know the actual details of the battle? Custer ignored orders, split his command, left his gatling gun and cannon support behind, because he considered it a burden.
what it basically boiled to was the Indians out gunned the Army.
the Indians had better guns then Custers men, Indians where equipped with repeating lever action rifles they looted or traded for.
and the Army was using single action flip top springfield rifles.
you act like the Indians pulled off a brilliant strategic victory, no they got lucky due to inept leadership of Gen Custer.
no I am saying Custers ego killed him... he thought he could take destroy all of the Natives with his superior technology... that they would be no match.
You fail to realize the people living there have superior knowledge of the terrain, they have food, they are protecting THEIR FAMILIES AND WAY OF LIFE.
Okay American get there... what are they going to eat? How are they going to wipe their ass? How are they going to avoid all of the germs/crap... I am sure that people living back then have tons of germs/better immune system.
You are just not thinking about things strategically anymore and you are setting yourself up for failure.
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Date Posted:1/1/00 12:00amSubject:
Could I destroy the entire Roman Empire if I traveled back in time with with a modern Marine infantr
Cuttlery posted:
aon_mixed posted: look, forget all the bs conjecture about FINDING Rome, here is the premise as written up by the guy who got the movie deal
DAY 1
The 35th MEU is on the ground at Kabul, preparing to deploy to southern Afghanistan. Suddenly, it vanishes.
The section of Bagram where the 35th was gathered suddenly reappears in a field outside Rome, on the west bank of the Tiber River. Without substantially prepared ground under it, the concrete begins sinking into the marshy ground and cracking. Colonel Miles Nelson orders his men to regroup near the vehicle depot—nearly all of the MEU’s vehicles are still stripped for air transport. He orders all helicopters airborne, believing the MEU is trapped in an earthquake.
Nelson’s men soon report a complete loss of all communications, including GPS and satellite radio. Nelson now believes something more terrible has occurred—a nuclear war and EMP which has left his unit completely isolated. Only a few men have realized that the rest of Bagram has vanished, but that will soon become apparent as the transport helos begin circling the 35th’s location.
Within an hour, the 2,200 Marines have regrouped, stunned. They are not the only moderns transported to Rome. With them are about 150 Air Force maintenance and repair specialists. There are about 60 Afghan Army soldiers, mostly the MEU’s interpreters and liaisons. There are also 15 U.S. civilian contractors and one man, Frank Delacroix, who has spoken to no one but Colonel Nelson.
Miraculously, no one was killed during the earthquake but several dozen people were injured, some seriously. All fixed-wing aircraft and the attack helicopters were rendered inoperable by the shifting concrete, although the MEU did not lose a single vehicle or transport helicopter.
As night falls, the MEU has established a perimeter. A few locals have been spotted, but in the chaos no one has yet established contact. Nelson and his men, who are crippled without mapping software and GPS to fix their position, begin attempting to fix their location by observing stars. The night is cloudy. Nelson orders four helicopters back into the air at first light, to travel along the river in hopes of locating a settlement.
Exactly, they are lost, and are probably going to be out of gas before then even get to an actual battle. Air support will be worthless. By the end of the first real battle the group is out of gas, out of bullets, and are not trained to fight in hand to hand combat like a roman soldier. They are basically screwed.
a meu has 30 days of self sustaining capability, I guess you want to ignore that fact and also they are on the tiber river which is only 252 miles long.
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Date Posted:1/1/00 12:00amSubject:
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Sith_Mauler posted: a meu has 30 days of self sustaining capability, I guess you want to ignore that fact and also they are on the tiber river which is only 252 miles long.
What does that even mean? Does it mean they can make bullets and gasoline from scratch?
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Date Posted:1/1/00 12:00amSubject:
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Sith_Mauler posted: a meu has 30 days of self sustaining capability, I guess you want to ignore that fact and also they are on the tiber river which is only 252 miles long.
You believe that 30 days means self sustaining with limited gas, limited ammo, lost, no comms, no GPS, and in battles? I thought you were in the military? I was in the damn Navy doing nothing and I know better than this. Are you sure you were actually in the service?
Date Posted:1/1/00 12:00amSubject:
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jeune posted:
Sith_Mauler posted:
jeune posted: I think when you go into any battle with an ego like that you are probably going to end up like Custer.
"To the thousands of indian warriors howling their murderous war cries, it was just like hunting buffalo.
Before them, hundreds of American soldiers were retreating in disarray, stumbling and dying on the grassy slope above the Little Bighorn River.
These were no longer government troopers but terrified members of a desperate mob.
The indians, on foot and on horseback, riddled them with bullets, pummelled them with stone hammers and shot them down with arrows."
really now do you even know the actual details of the battle? Custer ignored orders, split his command, left his gatling gun and cannon support behind, because he considered it a burden.
what it basically boiled to was the Indians out gunned the Army.
the Indians had better guns then Custers men, Indians where equipped with repeating lever action rifles they looted or traded for.
and the Army was using single action flip top springfield rifles.
you act like the Indians pulled off a brilliant strategic victory, no they got lucky due to inept leadership of Gen Custer.
no I am saying Custers ego killed him... he thought he could take destroy all of the Natives with his superior technology... that they would be no match.
You fail to realize the people living there have superior knowledge of the terrain, they have food, they are protecting THEIR FAMILIES AND WAY OF LIFE.
Okay American get there... what are they going to eat? How are they going to wipe their ass? How are they going to avoid all of the germs/crap... I am sure that people living back then have tons of germs/better immune system.
You are just not thinking about things strategically anymore and you are setting yourself up for failure.
did you read my post?
he didnt have tech superiority the Indians did in this one battle because Custer choose to leave his gatling guns(he had 2 issued to him) plus a some field cannons. those would have gave him the edge in fire power, but no the where left behind.
the army had single shot rifles you had to reload every bullet after each shot and the Indians had repeating rifles which was basically the assault rifle of that age.
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